Vladimir Putin 'Wants to Regain Finland' Says Close Adviser

While i don't enjoy bringing doom porn to the Forums.. If this is true it is really quite fearsome news.
I have said time and again that Putin is an evil gangster.. but this is taking things to new heights.

I think he has got military Intentions on the whole of Europe.. at least as far as the old boundaries
defined by the Soviet Union. If we examine the history of Putin and his military adventures, he fits the Adolph Hitler
personality type more or less quite exactly.

I think we are in 1938/39 all over again.. so the question is what do we do.
let him make his move or move against him.

One things for sure, Putin is going to have to be stopped by force, or by his own side.

He's lost the plot as far as I'm concerned.



Source

One of Russian President Vladimir Putin's closest ex-advisers has claimed that the ex-KGB agent ultimately wants to reclaim Finland for Russia. Andrej Illiaronov, Putin's economic adviser between 2000 and 2005 and now senior member of the Cato Institute think tank, said that "parts of Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic States and Finland are states where Putin claims to have ownership." "Putin's view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors," he said. When asked if Putin wishes to return to the Russia of the last tsar, Nicholas II, Illiaronov said: "Yes, if it becomes possible." Illiaronov admits that Finland is not Putin's primary concern at present but, if not stopped in other areas of Eastern Europe, the issue will one day arise. Russian troops are currently massing on the eastern border of Ukraine, following Russia's recent annexation of Crimea. "Putin said several times that the Bolsheviks and Communists made big mistakes. He could well say that the Bolsheviks in 1917 committed treason against Russian national interests by providing Finland's independence," Illiaronov told a Swedish news website. He believes that Putin is not planning to invade Ukraine for territorial gain but rather "the goal is a pro-Russian puppet government in Kiev." "Six years ago Putin conquered Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia. The west let him do it with impunity, and now he has got Crimea," he continued. "Now, eastern and southern Ukraine is destablised so that the self-defence forces can take power there. If the situation allows, it may be a military invasion."

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I don't think it is doom porn, just a 'heads up' but, the Finnish are well aware of the situation and always have been.

This is just Russia retaliating against the drunken incursions into their territory!

greencmp
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I don't think it is doom porn, just a 'heads up' but, the Finnish are well aware of the situation and always have been.

This is just Russia retaliating against the drunken incursions into their territory!

Sure hope so things are getting a bit hot and heavy round Europe at the minute.

Haven't seen the RAF out practicing though.. at least not where i live in Northern England.

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Hmmmm Putin's mind would be "Today Ukraine, Tomorrow the World"

starwarsisreal
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Hmmmm Putin's mind would be "Today Ukraine, Tomorrow the World"

If you're being sarcastic.. I wouldn't at this point..Far too much at stake
to try and make fun of Putin's Intentions.. We are living in dangerous times!

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Yeah, NATO is rightfully on station, who really knows so better to be safe than sorry.

rigel4

greencmp
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I don't think it is doom porn, just a 'heads up' but, the Finnish are well aware of the situation and always have been.

This is just Russia retaliating against the drunken incursions into their territory!

Sure hope so things are getting a bit hot and heavy round Europe at the minute.

Haven't seen the RAF out practicing though.. at least not where i live in Northern England.

me either, and I live right under the flight path between RAF Waddington & Coningsby and the ranges in the North Sea...

in fact it's been unusually quiet on the Tornado/Typhoon side of things lately.

Oh, I have finally realized what is the true difference between the Western and Russian democracy.

The Western democracy means causing a "revolution" in a country, making it seem like that government is killing their own people. While doing so, a thousands of people dies. But hey, at least they gave up their life's for "freedom"?!
Then, they overthrow a ruler, and put someone of their own to rule the country. Don't believe me? Just look at what happened to once great Yugoslavian countries.

And on the other hand, we have that bad Russian democracy. Where they conquer countries with military power but with no blood shattered. And then, we have people comparing Putin with Hitler...ok.

I guess he's interested in committing political and militaristic suicide as well?

/sets off independent thought alarm on nikola
at least there was a name to go with the elusive "close-advisor" this time
i just see all this as a dispute between one thief and another thief
/shrugs

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Thanks for pointing this out. This is news to me and not Doom Porn. Well done for keeping us informed!

Nikola014
Oh, I have finally realized what is the true difference between the Western and Russian democracy.

The Western democracy means causing a "revolution" in a country, making it seem like that government is killing their own people. While doing so, a thousands of people dies. But hey, at least they gave up their life's for "freedom"?!
Then, they overthrow a ruler, and put someone of their own to rule the country. Don't believe me? Just look at what happened to once great Yugoslavian countries.

And on the other hand, we have that bad Russian democracy. Where they conquer countries with military power but with no blood shattered. And then, we have people comparing Putin with Hitler...ok.

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Russians love their conspiracies about how the West is out to get them.
Let me guess, the protests in Ukraine were caused by CIA operatives, right? Also, Victor Yanukovich was thrown out in a coup as well, instead of simply fleeing the country as soon as his power was relinquished?
OH yeah, and the rioting in Venezuela must surely be a Western inside job too - there's no way that it can just be the result of people getting fed up with worthless corrupt governments.

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I'm trying to refer to this quote from the Rocketeer

Heute Europa, Morgen die Welt or in English: Today Europe, Tomorrow the World (Btw there are rumors Hitler said something similar in real life so Hitler saying it wasn't far fetched)



My apologizes if I sound sarcastic

Because in a way Putin seems to have that in his mind.

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I was ok with Crimera but if he goes for Finland....well #...I may just have to rent myself out as a merc to defend Finland haha...

Finland will never bend over like Ukraine did.
What comes to so called claims that Finland belongs to Russia is thinner than an spring ice. Finland has a long history 9000 to 10 000 years it has been inhabitet ever since the last ice age by finns, there were a times when Finland were under swedish ( approxiamately 650 years swedish rule ) or russian rule ( about 100 years ) the times when Finland were under Russian rule were occational times when Sweden and Russia were fighting each other ( constantly ) not to forgetting that finnish peasants maintained and paid a (under swedish rule ) army of 5000 horsemen ( at the time there were 200 000 people in Finland so this army was a great cost to the people of Finland ) who fought the russians, swedish King was at the time too busy in his other claimed country Poland and finnish Klaus Fleming was an acting governer.
So does it belong to sweden cos of 650 years of rule or Russia 109 years ( not continuous ones ) or Finns who have fought their borders all the times specially the eastern borders? Good question isn´t it ?

There has always been some russians who have got some media exposure of these kinds of claims, i heard about this early this week and about another russian politician a month ago about similar blames.. and every now at least couple times a decade there comes brain farts from the russian military commanders with same old stories..

starwarsisreal
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I'm trying to refer to this quote from the Rocketeer

Heute Europa, Morgen die Welt or in English: Today Europe, Tomorrow the World (Btw there are rumors Hitler said something similar in real life so Hitler saying isn't far fetched)

My apologizes if I sound sarcastic

Because in a way Putin seems to have that in his mind

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edit on 29-3-2014 by starwarsisreal because: (no reason given)

No problem.. I usually get a hard time from puton supporters on here/Western haters
so it was more me than you.
I see what you are saying now.

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Just to be clear, I am not a Russian. I'm just a man who had the first hand experience in dealing with a west bringing democracy to his country. During that, I've lost half of my family. Thousands more.

You must be either young or naive to think that "revolutions" just happens. It's just people raising up against their governments. Well I'm sorry that I have to break that bubble for you. It's never the case. EVER. Every time a revolution breaks free, there is always a powerful country behind it. And I'm not talking about a minor riots. I'm talking about people getting armed and shooting at police( sounds familiar? ) .

Let's go back a little in past. During WW2, when Hitler asked Yugoslavia to let German troops pass to Greece and promised that no harm would be done to Yugoslavian people. Yugoslavian government first accepted that offer, but then, they got overthrown by the people. And of course, it ends up German army still passing through Yugoslavian land while killing a thousands of people. And later on we find out that, this revolution has been organized and supported by British and Russian secrets services. And this is a historical fact.

You are talking about people raising up against governments that our corrupted? Then why don't we have revolutions all over the world? USA, Europe, Asia?

Please, start using your mind.

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It's just people raising up against their governments. Well I'm sorry that I have to break that bubble for you. It's never the case.

Who instigated the American Revolution? France?

Or milder things, like the Prague Spring?

Phage
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It's just people raising up against their governments. Well I'm sorry that I have to break that bubble for you. It's never the case.

Who instigated the American Revolution?

Or milder things, like the Prague Spring?

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The People....Yes it was!
Well timed Phage

Seriously??? I'l go as far as saying his intent is to reclaim East Ukraine, but this? Next Up Europe? Ridiculous, When i see a real military invasion( like Libya, Iraq, Afhanistan ) i'l be happy to adjust my statement.

He's an "Ex" KGB which you can never forget when talking about Putin, but going about and saying his after Europe lol.