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reply to post by Wookiep
Ukrainians view it as such no matter how many times it's spun on the internet.
When does what the people that actually LIVE THERE come into this discussion??
Wookiep
reply to post by deadcalm
When does what the people that actually LIVE THERE come into this discussion??
Ah. and this is the magic bullet that any pro-Putin supporter will give as an excuse because this is Russia's way of pushing it's agenda while making it seem like it's for "the people". It's been beaten to death. Let's talk about the people.
Why can't the people have have their OWN elections? You do know that Crimea is a legal part of UKRAINE with a special "status" that could have separated itself from Ukraine on it's own WITHOUT Russian intervention, right? Just because Ukraine allowed Russia to have a base there, this allows them to force Russian elections, with NO option to stay with Ukraine? Russians DONT make up 100% of Crimea, last I heard it was somewhere around 56%. So just screw everyone else? Well with that logic, I guess L.A. should belong to Mexico.
If people living in Ukraine love Russia so much, why can't they move to Russia? Your solution is to just allow Russia to decide their fate for them? Good looking out for the people, bro! What's next? Moldova? Estonia? Poland? So Russia has free reign to force these pro-Russian elections everywhere there are Russians? They (the people of Crimea) will learn soon enough they should have gone independent as their own sovereign nation, and they should have decided it on their own.edit on 24-3-2014 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Wookiep
could have separated itself from Ukraine on it's own WITHOUT Russian intervention, right?
Russians DONT make up 100% of Crimea, last I heard it was somewhere around 56%. So just screw everyone else?
If people living in Ukraine love Russia so much, why can't they move to Russia?
Your solution is to just allow Russia to decide their fate for them?
Good looking out for the people, bro!
What's next? Moldova? Estonia? Poland?
So Russia has free reign to force these pro-Russian elections everywhere there are Russians? T
1 Prior to Cold War
1.1 Russia
2 During the Cold War
2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s
2.22 Philippines 1986
3 Since the end of the Cold War
3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present
3.11 Ukraine 2013–2014
They (the people of Crimea) will learn soon enough they should have gone independent as their own sovereign nation, and they should have decided it on their own.
The Russians didn't force Crimea to do anything...thats total nonsense.
reply to post by Wookiep
Just bear in mind the rest of the world won't allow that kind of behavior for much longer
1 Prior to Cold War
1.1 Russia
2 During the Cold War
2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s
2.22 Philippines 1986
3 Since the end of the Cold War
3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present
3.11 Ukraine 2013–2014
As for Ukraine proper....there have been no Russian troops sent to invade the Ukraine. Period
Wookiep
reply to post by deadcalm
The Russians didn't force Crimea to do anything...thats total nonsense.
Since this reflects pretty much your entire long-winded response, it's the only thing needed to be quoted. You're deluded if you think Russia didn't force this whole situation in Crimea. Thousands of Russian soldiers "masked and un-identified" storm in, force all Ukrainian soldiers to un-arm and step aside, block all outside media, force a "referendum" on their terms, mind you, create ballots with Ukraine not an option and they didn't force anything? Well, if after all that, you still don't think anything was forced, I can't help you.
Just bear in mind the rest of the world won't allow that kind of behavior for much longer, as most disagree with you, especially if Putin thinks he can do this everywhere else. Say all you want about the U.S. and how bad they are, I will prolly agree with you on most points, but two wrongs don't make a right. Russia and Putin are not the saviors you think they are.
edit on 24-3-2014 by Wookiep because: (no reason given)
reply to post by tsurfer2000h
And yes those are Russian soldiers raising a Ukraine base, but according to you this couldn't have happened as Russia doesn't have troops invading Ukraine>
And before you forget, Crimea was part of Ukraine before Russia decided to annex them back to Russia.
How many countries has Russia fomented violent coups in? NONE
The 1948 Czechoslovak coup d'état (often simply the Czech coup) (Czech: Únor 1948, Slovak: Február 1948, both meaning "February 1948") – in Communist historiography known as "Victorious February" (Czech: Vítězný únor, Slovak: Víťazný február) – was an event late that February in which the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, with Soviet backing, assumed undisputed control over the government of Czechoslovakia, marking the onset of four decades of Communist dictatorship in the country.
tsurfer2000h
reply to post by deadcalm
As for Ukraine proper....there have been no Russian troops sent to invade the Ukraine. Period
So I guess this was done on a movie set...
And yes those are Russian soldiers raiding a Ukraine base, but according to you this couldn't have happened as Russia doesn't have troops invading Ukraine.
And before you forget, Crimea was part of Ukraine before Russia decided to annex them back to Russia.edit on 24-3-2014 by tsurfer2000h because: (no reason given)
reply to post by tsurfer2000h
Sure about that?
Correction...that is a Ukranian base in CRIMEA, which is no longer Ukranian territory. So just to reiterate....Russia has not invaded Ukraine....nor did they invade Crimea...THEY WERE ALREADY THERE. They did not bring in any additional Russian troops....even though they have every legal right to do so.
After both Ukraine and Russia terminated the union several acute disputes formed. The former one was the question of the Crimea which the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic had administered since 1954. This however was largely resolved in an agreement that allowed for Crimea to remain part of Ukraine, provided its Autonomous Republic status is preserved.