John Kerry: 'Russia Has Until Monday to Reverse Course in Ukraine"

rigel4
reply to post by ElohimJD

 

Is collapsing the US dollar feasible though.. I wonder?
If the US and its allies have nothing to spend.. then who is going to buy:

Russia's Natural Gas and oil products,

Chinese Products in general,

I think it is a two way street and to say that Russia and China can
collapse western currencies at will is far fetched to say the least.

If they can do this can you show me how Russia and China would achieve this.

Correct, it is a two way street. But one side knows about it (acts) and the other does not (reacts).

It is MEANT to collapse everything, under the guise of replacement. They know the window is very narrow. This action is not meant to usurp the current global ruling classes "strangle hold" on money (fiat currency), it is meant to bring money to nothing.

Currently:
MONEY = POWER

Once money = 0 you are left with:
POWER = POWER

The first nation to ACT will get the first strike option and will have a much higher potential success rate in WW3. The nations that are forced to REACT in a time when WMDs can travel at mach 8; has a higher potential failure rate.

THE ART OF WAR:
-“He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.”

-“Begin by seizing something which your opponent holds dear; then he will be amenable to your will.” (USD reserve currency is what the USA holds dear)

-“Conform to the enemy's tactics until a favorable opportunity offers; then come forth and engage in a battle that shall prove decisive. (Russia since the "fall" of the Soviet Union; "conforming" to the western model lol)

-“A clever general, therefore, avoids an army when its spirit is keen (USA "shock and awe", after 9/11), but attacks it when it is sluggish and inclined to return. This is the art of studying moods.” (USA to bring all troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan by 2015; they are weary of war)

-“Conceal your dispositions, and your condition will remain secret, which leads to victory; show your dispositions, and your condition will become patent, which leads to defeat.” (Snowden and his wikileaks showed USA dispositions to all the world)

-“Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory is won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.” (Russia in Crimea is the former; USA in Iraq is the later example)

One alliance (China/Russia) are following "the book" on war strategies; the other alliance (USA/NATO) is doing the opposite in almost all situations.

Who will be victorious? Time will tell.

God Bless,

reply to post by ElohimJD


You can't compare fighting a conventional military such as the Russian's with fighting a guerrilla force like AQ. They pose different challenges and are approached using different strategies. Fighting an enemy in civilian clothing is a whole other world than fighting an enemy you know and can see.

Russia won't be a pushover like Iraq but it certainly wouldn't be a blow out like the Super Bowl was (at least not in Russia's favor), especially considering the hurdles in developing its force projection and technological abilities that Russia has had to face the last decade or so.

Anyways, nothing is going to transpire from any of this. The circus act will continue, and citizens will continue to ignore their real problems.

And the love affair continues.......

This is nothing more, than another distraction to keep us busy.

LOL!

Empty words.

Empty rhetoric.

From another empty chair in, and administration that is nothing, but paper tigers when it comes to foreign policy.

Americans get treated more harshly than Russia will ever be.

reply to post by ElohimJD


This is a battle between the ICBs and Russia.

Let the ICBs pay for their own army.

ElohimJD

HanzHenry
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

The US cant handle a war against Russia.

Think if how an awesome team keeps playing scrubs, then they lose skills. And when they play a real team get smoked.

The US has been at war with scrubs in Afghanistan and Iraq. The bar has been so low.

If the US goes to war against someone significant it may be a complete blowout

Now I am reminded how sad the last Super Bowl was!

My hometown team (DEN) played scrubs all year; looked unstoppable, then went up against a real defense (SEA) and got blown out by 35!

Go broncos!

Suppose..........but strongly hope not..........US and Russia come down to exchanging blows.

Russia sensing the trouble launches a preemptive strike.

Takes takes out 50% of US Satellites,
Takes out another 50% of US Navy's Aircraft Carriers
Is able to Bomb the F22/B2 bases
Launches crippling CyberAttacks that throw half of US into darkness

These factors and some more can very seriously DEGRADE all the technological and numbers superiority of US.

Remember in Iraq 2003, when couple of M1 Tanks were crippled or badly hit by Kornet anti tank missiles. The whole US advance became very slow for few days. There was also a big worry that Russian GPS jammers were deflecting the smart bomb targets. Iraq in 2003 was a pauper in terms of military assets as a result of all sorts of sanctions.

Now take such advanced gadgets and multiply their number 1000s.

Can be very very tough going for the US military machine. Fighting with Russia is NOT RECOMMENDED !!

Pants3204
reply to post by ElohimJD

 

You can't compare fighting a conventional military such as the Russian's with fighting a guerrilla force like AQ. They pose different challenges and are approached using different strategies. Fighting an enemy in civilian clothing is a whole other world than fighting an enemy you know and can see.

Russia won't be a pushover like Iraq but it certainly wouldn't be a blow out like the Super Bowl was (at least not in Russia's favor), especially considering the hurdles in developing its force projection and technological abilities that Russia has had to face the last decade or so.

Anyways, nothing is going to transpire from any of this. The circus act will continue, and citizens will continue to ignore their real problems.

It would be idiotic for Russians to project force with only 1 aircraft carrier at hand. Their main objective will be to DENY the force projection by the US.

I bet 90% of Russian and 50% of US satellites will be canceled out within 1 hour of the NONSENSE having reached the boiling point.

reply to post by FlyersFan



Every time a red line is crossed Kerry chin grows and Obama hair gets whiter

reply to post by crazyewok


They do not draw red lines. They lay down red lines with little more than thread that way they can move the line each time it is crossed.

victor7

Suppose..........but strongly hope not..........US and Russia come down to exchanging blows.

Russia sensing the trouble launches a preemptive strike.

Takes takes out 50% of US Satellites,
Takes out another 50% of US Navy's Aircraft Carriers
Is able to Bomb the F22/B2 bases
Launches crippling CyberAttacks that throw half of US into darkness

These factors and some more can very seriously DEGRADE all the technological and numbers superiority of US.

Remember in Iraq 2003, when couple of M1 Tanks were crippled or badly hit by Kornet anti tank missiles. The whole US advance became very slow for few days. There was also a big worry that Russian GPS jammers were deflecting the smart bomb targets. Iraq in 2003 was a pauper in terms of military assets as a result of all sorts of sanctions.

Now take such advanced gadgets and multiply their number 1000s.

Can be very very tough going for the US military machine. Fighting with Russia is NOT RECOMMENDED !!

edit on 14-3-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)

Do pray tell how exactly Russia would go about taking out 50% of US satellites? Do pray tell how Russia expects to take out 50% of Americas air craft carriers? And how are they going to bomb the F22/B2 bases considering B2's are stationed in Whitemans Airforce Base MIssouri? Cyberattacks??? All while the US sits back and does NOTHING???

The fact that you have to make up completely unrealistic scenarios to make an argument tells us all we need to know about your argument. This isn't a video game. Put down the remote controller!!!

reply to post by ElohimJD


Interesting ..
I'm hoping you are wrong..
your reply was thoughtful and logical.

I'm not sure you are wrong though!

US drone intercepted in Crimean airspace - Russia's state corporation

An American scout-attack drone was intercepted in the Crimean sky, the Rostec state corporation reports. "Judging by side marking, the MQ-5B drone was part of the 66th US brigade of military intelligence with the main location in Bavaria," the report on the website of the corporation reads.

Source

Do pray tell how exactly Russia would go about taking out 50% of US satellites? Do pray tell how Russia expects to take out 50% of Americas air craft carriers? And how are they going to bomb the F22/B2 bases considering B2's are stationed in Whitemans Airforce Base MIssouri? Cyberattacks??? All while the US sits back and does NOTHING??? The fact that you have to make up completely unrealistic scenarios to make an argument tells us all we need to know about your argument. This isn't a video game. Put down the remote controller!!!

reply to post by rock427


50% of US Satellites......................that's the easier part. Two dozen Su-27s can do that easily and that is only a smaller of the options. I am sure Russians have many more tools in the box.

50% of USN Carriers...................just off load a SWARM of 30 Yakhonts on each carrier. Rest is history.

F22/B2 bases.................that one is a toughy, no inputs for now. Ask the Russians !!

Cyberattacks.................that is easy for Russian hackers and that can be MOST devastating also.

Remember I said "Pre-Emptive". I do not think Russia can do these with high efficiency, once it has already been attacked.

reply to post by FlyersFan


What did you expect them to do? If they give approval for a part of a sovereign country to vote on whether or not they can belong to that country, no matter what the larger geopolitics are ... how would they look if, say, Texas were to come along and decide to hold a referendum on belonging to the U.S. and they then said no to Texas?

They can't approve of it no matter who's doing it because they know they are at risk of rebellion at home.

reply to post by 480Y277V

I would love to have listened in on Putin's call to the Chinese President. China has the capability to destroy our economy, but the hand-wringers who have never taken a Chinese history class say they won't do it, because it would wreck their economy also.

sorry couldnt resist

reply to post by ketsuko


There were serious issues on Crimea in 1991 when USSR broke off. These issues were not resolved for all along.

Btw, if US can have Kosovo detach from Serbia by force and massive killings then Russia can take back its disputed territory by general referendum passed by majority of the population.

Buddy, there cannot be two standards and laws for two different countries. Russia was quiet when these "discriminatory" rules were forced upon other countries. But now it is being tried on Russian direct interests.

Russia WILL NOT back off from Crimea. Take it for written and go on with your peaceful life. Shout and scream too much......global peace will be broken very severely.

Soloprotocol
You have until Monday or else i,ll Release the Krakan..Muhahahaha...Muhahahahaha

You Ment the Kurgen ! LOL!

The Kurgan ( HighLander )

The Kurgan—who was found on the shores of the Kurgan tribe where he was taken in and named Vitor—was born in what is now Russia on the border of the Caspian Sea. His tribe, the Kurgans, Juan Ramírez notes, were infamous for their cruelty, and were known to "toss children into pits full of starved dogs, and watch them fight for [the] meat" for amusement.

en.wikipedia.org...

Kurgan hypothesis
en.wikipedia.org...


Need some Humor ATS !

IamAbeliever
"Russia Has Until Monday To Reverse Course in Ukraine" 

And if they don't comply we'll make it Tuesday, and so on and so on. Damn it, we mean it!!

Cross the Line !!


Or Walk the Line ! Damit !