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Would kicking all illegal immagrants out = economic boom?

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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 04:41 AM
No, kicking illegal workers who work for less would not create an economic boom; it might not even result in increased employment for legal workers. If business owners had to pay their workers more, they would have to charge more, and customers would have to use less of their services or products because they would cost more. These employers would then likely have to cut back on the number of employees.

Then there is the fact that all of these currently employed illegal workers spend their money for food, rent, gas, and other stuff. They help to stimulate the economy. If they all left, then there would be businesses that wouldn't make as much money and would possibly have to cut back on the number of their employees or even go out of business, i.e. causing an economic contraction.

Obviously in this scenario you postulate, one would have to do a comprehensive analysis to determine what the economic impact is, i.e. would such a move create an economic boom or a contraction, but it is most likely the latter.

You also could have asked, what if you forced 'Murikens to purchase products only built in 'Murika. This would increase manufacturing jobs in the US, but the cost of items would be more, so people would buy less, also likely causing an economic contraction.

I'm not making any value judgements here, just stating the economics of the matter.

Do you really want to cause an economic boon? Then the wealth of the country needs to be more evenly distributed in order to generate more demand for products and services. This country's problems have resulted from a great decrease in the tax rates at the upper end of the economic scale and the outsourcing of production and service jobs overseas, and the vast amount spent of Defense, which is not productive or a good long-term investment for the country.

Putting greater tax burdens on the middle and lower classes causes them to have even less expendable income which stimulates the economy. Henry Ford, that great socialist, realized that if he paid his workers a decent wage, then they would be able to buy his product, thereby increasing his revenues. American companies and their rich owners have lost site of this basic economic tenant. Poor and middle class folks spend just about everything they earn; if you put a greater tax burden on them, then you cut back on their expenditures. Rich people: not so much. They'll just have a little bit less money to invest with, and it has been quite well established that trickle down economics does not stimulate the economy; i.e. rich people don't create jobs. People in mass buying stuff and services creates jobs, and they can only buy stuff if they have money.

Companies have outsourced jobs thinking that they will cut costs, but they don't figure in the fact that their business will suffer because all the other companies are doing the same thing and so their potential customers, as a whole, have less to spend.

The large defense budget is a great waste of money. Yes, it increases the GNP but very in efficiently relative to other possible uses of the money. Making more weapons systems that will just go out of date, as well as cause a lot of ecological damage, are not a good investment for society. Our bridges are falling apart, our coastlines are eroding and becoming ever more susceptible to storms. And we're spending billions essentially to subsidize fossil fuel companies taking oil out of the Middle East. Cut the defense budget in half -- it will still be larger than about the next three or four countries' defense budgets added together -- and take half the savings and put them into infrastructure investment, which will create jobs, and the other half into alternative energy research and development, which will also create jobs as well as make us less dependent on oil, so we can cut our defense budget even more, because we won't have to give a rip about what happens in the Middle East, where currently we pour hundreds of billions of dollars in pointless wars and military aid to detestable so-called "allies".

Take a look at Germany for example. They don't have a large military budget, they do have manufacturing jobs and they are doing a great deal of alternative energy development. The workers make a living wage, which keeps their economy invigorated.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 04:52 AM
Most of you are born of the ancestors of illegal immigrants or slaves, people who built America. People like this work and are underpaid in Jobs others think are "below" them. I don't think it would help create an economic boom I just think you would be digging a deeper hole in the economy. They may not pay tax etc but they do pay rent, but clothes/food/fuel etc they still contribute to the economy. They still play a part. Just my thoughts

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 05:55 AM
Create job openings for unskilled Americans?
But that would cut food stamp expenditures, lower housing costs and cost all social programs less money due to fuller employment figures.
Government-dependency is a shameful method of maintaining a political constituency of the poor.
Congress isn't going to do anything that might endanger the small percentage of Americans who still approve of their actions.

Enforcing the law just isn't in Eric Holder's blood either.
Guns, drug cartels and cheap labor are all met with open borders by this administration.

Eta: I'm going to scream if one more person says Americans "won't do" certain jobs.
I've picked tobacco, washed dishes, dug ditches and did landscaping for years.

Perhaps it's you people posting that notion that think you're too good to do those jobs.
Many Americans would be happy to find ANY work at all right now.

Illegal immigration is about the Balkanization of the US, end of story.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 07:16 AM
reply to post by pheonix358

I have some extended family in California that are "illegals". They have their own businesses, and I am guessing are in the upper middle income level. Far from slaves. I also have some "legal' relatives in West Virginia and Arkansas that are dirt poor and see little hope for any economic improvement. I don't like painting the whole group of illegals with the same broad brush. It's sloppy and far from accurate.

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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 07:45 AM
Not really.

Most citizen, unless desperate would take those jobs at minimum wage. Employers would have to care about normal citizen, worker health etc... Food prices would go up..

Overall not much chnage except the cost of your food

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 09:43 AM
reply to post by onequestion

If America suddenly chose to respect the rule of law and apply the law fairly, regardless of financial means, it would be an absolute renaissance.

Purging out the corruption would be painful though. The supply/demand balance for labor in the US would eventually adjust and I believe US citizens would eventually take up the slack. IMO, there would be inflation like you've never seen because corps. aren't going to give up profit on their own. They will pass along increased labor costs to consumers in various ways.

On the general topic of illegal immigration, the owners of the US want it to continue, so it will. It means more fat profits and bonuses in the private sector while placing greater load on taxpayer funded social safety net. i.e. Fascism. The rich can often avoid taxes and get their effective tax rates below what a so-called middle class family pays. So higher taxes actually affect the rich less. shhhhh that's a secret

Plus the GOP can use white fear as a wedge issue whether it's supported by facts or not. Moar gunz! There's a synchronicity to it.

So illegal immigration will definitely continue. Because the corptocracy and the GOP want it to continue. Notice how the Tea Party and GOP will show up on cue to torpedo any chance at real reform.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:11 PM
reply to post by onequestion

I bet they know how to spell immigrant correctly.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:26 PM
reply to post by onequestion

It would be for me.
Kick loose all my union jobs that pay about 32 bucks an hour.
And a lot of other Americans too. You know the jobs that we
don't want to do? But the Pisas will do for ten. Structural iron,
Glazing, welding. Won't happen tho.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:31 PM
Throwing away capital never predicates a boom...ever.

That applies to human capital as much as it applies to fiscal capital.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:35 PM
keep the illegals
toss the bankers
same diff

it aint little people in the bilge that are sinking the ship..its the pie rats at the top

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:38 PM
No, getting rid of central banking, getting rid of fiat currency and making government balance the books would though!

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:42 PM

Simple question, would kicking all illegals out of our country would that cause an economic boom?

Washington Post

“The more likely figure is 18-20 million and rising daily,” Zack Taylor, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, Inc., said in an open letter dated Sunday. Read more: Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Jobs in:


All of these jobs were high paying jobs and enable the creation of small business's and competitive wages.

So, i ask again, would kicking illegals out cause an economic boom?

My reasoning is that those jobs are jobs that would go to people born in this country normally without a mass migration of tens of millions of people in short periods of time.

At what point do we need to put a stop to this?

Seriously...your post makes me want to FACEPALM indefinitely.

Guess who is giving the jobs to the "illegals"?

Every one who is giving a low-paying job to an illegal has VERY WELL the option to give the same job to an US American.
Obviously, they don't. Why? Because it costs less to pay an illegal $2/hour than giving the same job to an American for $15 or $20.

So..instead of blaming the illegals blame THOSE who actually give those jobs.

Also..your proposal overall is let's assume that all illegals would be "kicked out" now do you think that magically all those corporates and bosses would hire US Americans (or legal immigrants, whatever) paying them premium?

But again..key point stands...even if we assume that "millions of illegals got many low-paying jobs"...SOMEONE must've given the jobs to them. THIS is the issue here: "Free reign capitalism" where anyone can do ANYTHING they like as long it's good for their profit. And "hiring" a low-cost illegal is exactly that.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:42 PM
I have met few people in my life time that could put down their first world hubris long enough to do the extremely menial work and sometimes very laborious work that many illegals are paid under the table for in amounts that most of us would scoff at. I don't think it would lead to possitive economic health that would be noticeable to mainstream Americans IMO.
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posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 12:47 PM
reply to post by randyvs

i went down to the local cultural center to see about doing live sound and lights...
its caters to the higher income folks in the area

they expected me to volunteer

so i asked my high toned heart Doctor if he enjoyed the one show i volenteered to do just to check thier system out
before i declined to work for free ..i need to get paid to work...
he remembered seeing me doing my thing that night and said yes it sounded great

so, i said are you going to work for free for me?

he said you don't pay me the province its free for you...
i said no i paid taxes the taxes pay you...

they keep emailing for me to either do sound or play guitar for free,
and i keep going out into the park, or to the shelter, and i play for free for the people who have no money
way more classy crowd

eat the rich, feed the poor

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 01:00 PM
reply to post by Danbones

Can't feed the poor if you get rid of the rich.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 01:27 PM
No and it is never going to happen because Americas dirty little secret is they are vital to our economy. Nobody is going to be the President who causes the price of a food to triple over night.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 01:33 PM
reply to post by thesaneone

There is no poor if you get rid of the rich.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 01:50 PM
reply to post by speculativeoptimist

I used to work the wheat harvest as a summer job, and a lot of city folks will sneer at it because it's not 9 to 5 and doesn't pay. The only ones you will see at it are the ones with farm backgrounds who understand that in farming, the job is done when it's done.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 01:50 PM

reply to post by thesaneone

There is no poor if you get rid of the rich.

There's no one to pay you either.

posted on Mar, 11 2014 @ 02:50 PM

Most of you are born of the ancestors of illegal immigrants or slaves, people who built America. People like this work and are underpaid in Jobs others think are "below" them. I don't think it would help create an economic boom I just think you would be digging a deeper hole in the economy. They may not pay tax etc but they do pay rent, but clothes/food/fuel etc they still contribute to the economy. They still play a part. Just my thoughts

Not my ancestors. They came in in checked in at a legal checkpoint. Laws can be good...

1. They were inspected for contagious diseases.

I don't understand why anyone would want people unchecked for TB or DISEASES to work in FOOD INDUSTRIES.

2. Required to have a family/sponsor that would MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ON WELFARE.

[QUOTE] They may not pay tax etc but they do pay rent, but clothes/food/fuel etc. they still contribute to the economy.


I am insulted that this poster would imply that MY family origins was illegals.

Know why Social Security is under funded it's because companies don't have to put aside the SS taxes for these workers.

I say get rid of them by attrition. Go ahead and get laws that only legal/pending legal citizens can rent, own property, get jobs or get drivers licenses. Get our own Gestapo to check papers on renters and employers. We have Big Brother and the welfare state already, we might as well just take care of our own at this point. Or let our country go bankrupt like California with all the parasites there on welfare.

Not ideal if you ask me...I am against welfare and social programs. It promotes careless living where people are shielded from the financial consequences of their actions.

Trust me I know from personal experience on this one...I only made one "mistake" and that was the end of more "mistakes" on my end. Little did I know that I would be born into this world to have a son, give him to a member of my family to raise and he would be so ungrateful and selfish. He does not talk to me and treats me like I was nothing. I don't even know why I was allowed to be born so I could live to see these days.

I know the hard way and it works for society's benefit.

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