Blackwater troops in Ukraine.

reply to post by boncho

Or so you think so, but not only is history written by the winners, or even sometimes just made up. Who's to say that the whole of those two wars were not only started by private interests but had there people everywhere within the war machines. War is a booming business some times you know, and it does keep everybody very busy, hence it is in there interest to keep everybody in a constant state of business.

WCmutant

neo96
I don't believe for one second the current president of the US would send 'blackwater' to Ukraine.

Sorry I don't.

You are right, the POTUS didn't send Blackwater. Here is how it MOST LIKELY went down.

1. USA/George Soros/CIA (e.g., someone connected with the USA) ... gave money to Svoboda Party
2. Svoboda Party takes money and even gets photo ops with John McCain and Victoria Nuland.
3. Svoboda Party is told to do three things ...

• Make protests violent (media will eat it up)
  
• Overthrow/oust Yanukovych
  
• Use money given by USA/Soros/CIA to purchase Blackwater to help in anyway necessary
  

Done, done, and done!

And here's how it actually went down

Putins mafia bribing Ukrainian MP and government officials loyal and favouring eastern ties to align with Russia with huge pay offs

Country rebels

West intervenes

Pro west government Installed

Putin gets angry

Russia illegally invades and begin influencing the people directly while cock blocking Ukrainian military

West sends in special forces and merc to head hunt Russian agents and special forces active in the East


Brink of WWII and lots of stupid people talking BS on the web

reply to post by the2ofusr1

Yes the majority of it comes down to business interests, everything else is tacked on as real when its really just veneer, and after being indoctrinated in such paradigms for so long, not talking about years here but generations its literally written in there genes, in fact in the human genome.

As such there fate is sealed, and it will just repeat itself over the centuries, like mice on a wheel, with millions and billions of such mice you can generate quite a lot of energies, keeping them all busy, from one wheel to the next running in endless circles.

macman
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Not wanting to show more facts, but their employees aren't just American Citizens either. They hire out from many nations for certain work.

A veritable #-load of SAS decided to go AWOL and work for Blackwater back when, the pay differential was ungodly. In fact, you get a lot of SF that don't re-up and jump ship to Blackwater/Academi. If you're recently ETSd SF, Delta, SEAL, Force Recon, MSOR, Ranger regiment or SOAR, you can get a truly staggering paycheck from Blackwater, especially if you've got a specialty or experience level they like.

Generally, if you were on a DA team, you command the bucks. I've seen SOAR guys offered 250K, SAS gets over 300K. We're talking life altering money. In the olden days, you might ETS and end up cowboying for USSOC through a second tier like SRI or SAIC for 150K, these days it still goes on but if you're going to do that sort of thing these days Blackwater's pay differential is awfully alluring.

You can buy out a head of state you cannot buy the voice of the people

I think this says it all

reply to post by Bedlam


one question..............technology wise, which is more resourceful US Army SFC or Blackwater type private mercs.

I bet blackwater does not have real time satellite feed to ops on the field or evesdropping equipment to hear etc. And that justifies higher pay for higher risk. Also in the event of getting hit, much less capability to extract the personnel from any point.

TritonTaranis
You can buy out a head of state you cannot buy the voice of the people

I think this says it all

where was this voice of people for 23 years since 1991?

or these people lacked US NGO money backing ?? guess western union funds arrived quite late.

victor7
reply to post by Bedlam

 

one question..............technology wise, which is more resourceful US Army SFC or Blackwater type private mercs.

E7's rule, but a lot of BW are former E7's. (sorry)

What you get in BW are often former Special Forces, so it's the same guys, only without LOAC and a really light ROE. For the less self-disciplined, this seems IMHO to not be a great idea at times. Other than that, from what I hear from my buddies that are in BW, it's not hugely different, but you don't have B teams or SOAR for backup, and you are not as likely to be extracted if you get in a crack, so you're right there.

OTOH, and I trust I'm not letting the cat out of the bag, but BW gets a lot of under the table support from the US for missions that the US wants them to do. So, you have a lot of intel going their way, and you have the occasional odd bit of transportation being provided or weapons/ammo being dropped to them and whatnot.

I have a prior SOAR buddy in BW who got a personal call of congratulations and a present from Rumsfeld himself for a particular run they made.

You also get that sort of thing with Triton, SAIC and SRI, though. Although not to the same extent.

But the pay, my God. Back when, we're talking 94 or so, I did three runs with an unmentioned second tier and banked about 50K a job, each was only about three months long, so it was over five times my pay as an E7 with all the adders, and I didn't even have to get shot at. That's a really nice incentive to go to the dark side. Especially when you're raiding the couch for change and working three jobs whilst going to university and being newly married. I have to tell you, it didn't take but about one description of the job and pay and I was sold. My days of contemplating the green meat bin at the Hoggly Woggly were over.

reply to post by Bedlam


Thanks, one more question..............what makes a good spec op...........does size i.e. big body matter or is it more training and stamina.

i see russian spetsnaz which is not too big at times but US or SAS guys are almost always big and burly. somewhere i read that russians choose spetsnaz who look more average and can blend in easy with crowd. but in a risky foreign land, i would rather have a big guy who can 'knock the electricity' out of anyone with one swing of the fist and get going on his way.

although have also seen a puny spetsnaz overwhelm a big burly dude in front of his girlfriend.......almost funny.....only later found that he used to be a spetsnaz before. other guy was really big but not trained i guess. it did take the little commodo few moves to cancel him though, it was not one fist swing job.

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After 12 years in power, Hitler was dead, having slaughtered millions and conquered Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals.

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If there is a Cold War II, or a U.S.-Russia war, historians of tomorrow will as surely point to the Bushes and Clintons who shoved NATO into Moscow’s face

So what? Blackwater "troops" have also been sighted in Beijeng, Cairo, Istanbul and Mumbia to name just a few (in the last few months).

victor7
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Thanks, one more question..............what makes a good spec op...........does size i.e. big body matter or is it more training and stamina.

Not panicking when # changes and everything you were contemplating goes down the crapper, and you have to change tack right then and improvise. They used to test for that, actually. It turns out you can take a group, wear them down a bit, then pose some sort of problem they've got to solve, that's complicated and has a tight time constraint, and right in the middle you toss a monkey wrench in - the rope's too short, the equipment's broken, the radio's on the fritz you name it, but it's got to take what they were doing and toss it in the crapper in real time with very little time left and they have to improvise under pressure. You let the scenario run to conclusion - you don't really care if they succeed or not - and you take blood samples then and there. You'll find the cortisol levels correlate with near magic accuracy with the guy making it or washing out. The ones with high cortisol are freaking out instead of dealing with it.

In my experience, most SF are medium sized and wiry, and look like triathletes. You see an occasional stocky guy, a smattering of what I used to think of as Slim Pickens types and a few meats that are probably juicing. Most teams have a meat or two and they get stuck with the heavy crap. It changes over time, back when there weren't as many juicers as there seem to be now. You see more meats in the Rangers than in SF. A lot of guys that make it through BUD/S seem to be short and wiry. There's a weight limit, though. At one time you couldn't be over 240, technically, don't know about other services. Echoes tend to be bigger, because their crap's generally heavier. Bravos tend to be the juicers. The policy on testing your guys for juicing seems to be less fervent than in days gone by. I'll put it this way, it's the fad now to be heavily into CrossFit instead of a weight jockey.

i see russian spetsnaz which is not too big at times but US or SAS guys are almost always big and burly.

The few SAS guys I ran into were no bigger than our guys.

i would rather have a big guy who can 'knock the electricity' out of anyone with one swing of the fist and get going on his way.

It was a truism that if you got down to hand-to-hand something bad had gone wrong, although some teams like that sort of thing.

reply to post by Bedlam


I think that's true. Unlike the common perception, SF guys work is mostly reconnaissance/surveillance and hit from distance and get going or even plant a apparatus i.e. job like demolition etc. Not much of 'in the face' type hand to hand dealings.

One other thing is "stamina", run, jog or fast walk 10+ miles and upto 25 miles in a day and that too without throwing too much attention to the environment. To be very cunning, creative and be able to control situations quickly.......all the requirement thrown in at the same time.

Thanks for inputs from the real world !!

victor7
reply to post by Bedlam

 

Thanks for inputs from the real world !!

And what world is that? Airsoft or Call of Duty? I've been a PSC for the last 5 years and this thread is damn funny! Blackwater, Blackwater, Blackwater...the root of all evil...haha BW ceased to exist about 3 years ago...Academi is pretty much just DoS and DoD gate guards. The 'huge money' is a laugh...unless you call $60k a year to stand a post...or $130k to do mobile. Even XPG (CIA/OGA gig) only pays abut $130k. Direct Action gigs are almost nonexistent. And IF they exist, no one even in the industry talks about it.

So, this entire thread is based on some guys in different uniforms and no patch...OH MY GOD...IT'S BLACKWATER! All I hear on this site is to do 'research', find the truth. The internet is full on BS that is passed of as the truth, and is believed hook, line and sinker as it is different, mocks or fit some crack pot theory. In 95% of the time, the truth is just boring...no conspiracy...no New World Order....nothing...crap just happens. As for this one...Private Security Companies, 100s around the world, are no different then any other company that provides a service. They are in it for the profit. But, there are VERY strict rules when dealing with certain contracts. Almost all US clients want a SECRET clearance...only US citizens generally get that, and you need it before you even apply. Most Secret Squirrel (XPG) jobs need Top Secret...that is a 6-12 investigation. Of course a Special Operations background is awesome, but depending on the job, not required. I have worked with them all, and the only huge difference is training and schools. None of them are Rambo!

reply to post by Useurbrain


buddy, i never put up myself as a spec op............not even near.............purely civilian.

however, inputs from bedlam were pretty good.

infact i had an internet contact with ex-spec op in a form of a seminar he was giving regarding his new civilian profession in marketing. this guy was a private contractor in iraq and when suddenly he wanted to leave, his colleagues (all ex us army) were throwing a big surprise as why is he leaving big bucks just like that, must be crazy or something. this guy did not mention numbers but said daily runs from base via downtown bagdhad and core of the town were taking heavy toll on him and his psychology. each morning he would think that today might be his last day etc. etc. so he decided to leave and never looked back. one of the reason he mentioned was very new marriage and also his job was that of a "looker" on humvee or apc i.e. popping his head out to glance 180 degrees for any hostile entity or act. there were two guys covering the whole 360 degrees and this was one of the most risky jobs in the spec ops group. he could kill someone very easily or get killed also. too much stress when out on the road.

spec ops is no rambo for sure or full of action as shown by movies. most of spec ops is behind the scenes.

cheers !

victor7
If there is a Cold War II, or a U.S.-Russia war, historians of tomorrow will as surely point to the Bushes and Clintons who shoved NATO into Moscow’s face

edit on 8-3-2014 by victor7 because: (no reason given)

No. It was the USSR who shoved NATO into Moscow's face.

Many of the nations which were occupied by/vassals of the USSR voluntarily, of their free will, chose to join NATO because of their first-hand experience with living with Moscow when they got the chance.

It was they who was asking to be allowed into NATO.

This got me wondering whether or not these 'unidentified gunmen' were actually Russian Federation forces. The ones policing Crimea, the ones that held UN persons hostage at gunpoint, what if they were Blackwater? The money-masters have a track record of propping up both sides of each and every major conflict of our brief existence...

reply to post by victor7


The real one are all quiet professionals...however the new breed seem WAY to much into themselves. All SHOW no GO.

And the voice of the pogue was heard throughout the land. Second line.

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Gives me the shivers how bad this situation could get!...