This is a interesting debate I was reading about today called ...Rich and Dishonest vs Poor and Honest
Which is better?
"Let's jump straight into refutation.
Let's look at your line of reasoning again: "Honesty is a really important quality in a person considering that now a days everybody lies."
This is a contradiction, believe it or not. Look at your verb usage. "Honesty is a really important quality in a person considering that now a days
Both the bolded terms indicate that it is the present tense. This is a contradiction because it is in the present tense. You cannot be honest,
presently, right now, when everybody (which includes you) is lying right now, now a days.
True, being honest does not mean a person has never lied. But being honest does mean that a person is not lying. Basically, what I'm getting at, is
you cant be honest and lie at the same time. This is what is you are saying because of the present tense verbs in your sentence. Therefore, it is
still a contradiction.
Also, thank you for clarifying the second sentence of money flow for me.
Please note that Pro concedes this point to me. Pro agrees that being dishonest brings in more money.
Pro says: "I am pretty sure nobody would want to rob a company to make money if the outcome was jail or an even worse consequence."
That is easily refuted. There are accounting scandals and frauds all the time. The risk is jail, but however, people still do accounting frauds,
essentially robbing the company, to make money.
Just look at WorldCom: www.guardian.co.uk...
Pro also brings up the point: "What if people are caught for their dishonest acts?"
Obviously, if you are going to commit accounting scandal or a heist, you are going to plan it out carefully, to minimize detection. Therefore, there
is little chance of getting caught. However, if you are caught, by that time you will already have hundreds of millions of dollars in several offshore
accounts which you can easily use to bail yourself out of jail, or bribe officials. Humans are naturally greedy. The likihood of someone accepting a
bribe to release you is very high. Therefore, you can easily evade jail.
First of all, why does someone need to be trusted with money, if he already has hundreds of millions in his back pocket? There is no need. It doesn't
matter if no one will trust you with money. You already have tons of that.
Secondly, Pro agrees that "yes money can help bring happiness".
But apparently, there comes a point where money does not matter anymore. Really? When is that point? Money will always matter, no matter what. You
will always need money in life, you cannot live without it. Therefore, money will always matter.
Furthermore, money can buy health. There are several expensive drugs that are vital to cure certain diseases that many poorer people can't afford.
Those people will die because they don't have access to these drugs. People who are rich can buy these drugs and cure themselves. Essentially, buying
health. Therefore, money can buy health.
Time to defend my arguments.
D.1: Worry Free
Please explain how you can possibly worry about a $100 energy bill when you have millions sitting in the bank. Someone who has minimum wage income
would worry about these kinds of things. But to someone who has millions in the bank, $100 is small fry.
Pro also agrees with me: " Yes, problems are a result in money", problems come from the lack of money.
Pro also says: "although you wouldn't be rewarded for being honest don't you think it would feel much better knowing you didn't have to lie to get
somewhere in life"
Firstly, depends on what you mean by somewhere in life. As the resolution is "honest and poor", you would not be anywhere in life, you would be
poor, living in a ghetto. How would that make you feel better? What would make anyone feel better is living in a nice penthouse suite with hundreds of
dollar bills in your back pocket, not living in the slums.
Pro also says: "Being honest is a huge deal".
It really isn't a huge deal. So many people lie on their resumes, because it really isn't a big deal. Marketers cheat consumers all the time with
false advertising, because it isn't a big deal. Sales people exagerrate to potential customers because it isn't a big deal. CEO's exagerrate their
company's earnings because it isn't a big deal.
In our world today, there are lies everywhere. Nobody thinks twice about it. This proves that in our world, honest isn't a huge deal at all.
Therefore, being dishonest is not a big deal. Therefore, it is better to be dishonest and rich than honest and poor.
Oh, your last point: "being honest is a huge deal, it brings you friends, family, and a good life, with or without money and if your so willing to
"buy" your friends, they will never be true to you instead they will only use you"
Being dishonest by cheating can get you a good life, because you have lots of money. You have a family whether or not you are honest, it doesn't
really matter. You can be a serial killer and still have a family. IT is not as if being honest is the only way you can get a family. As for friends,
I'm sure you can make friends with someone equally as dishonest as you.
C.2: Dishonest jobs
There are several jobs that require you to be dishonest. Such as a professional poker player for example. You play poker for a living. Poker is a game
where you have to be dishonest in order to win and rake in chips, your income essentially. IF you be honest, you will not get an income, you will not
get any chips. You cannot support your family. Being dishonest, though, however, gets you income. And the more dishonest you are, the more income you
can get, and support and give a better quality of life to your family. It is much better to be dishonest rather than honest in this situation. I
challenge pro to provide me a reason that remaining honest, when your job is a professional poker player, is much better than being dishonest.
Because of several dropped points from pro, I have won this debate. I have easily proved my BOP while Pro only manages weak arguments about morality.
As Con, I believe that the basic principles of life come first. As humans, our first priority is self survival and self betterment. This can easily be
done through dishonesty. As humans, it is only natural to take the easier path by being dishonest. Therefore, being dishonest and rich is legitimate
and much better than honest and poor."
I personally think both are advantageous depending on the personality type of the person. If your a left brain antisocial type then you would not
notice if the "happiness" is shallow and self-gratifying. Its real in the psychopath's mind and feels real to him/her. A psychpath's perception of
happiness is real to them so it is their reality.Same with the other end of the paradigm if your a totally selfless(like a saint,a "hero" or a
nameless humanitarian) then you are extremely happy when others are doing well and you get no(or very little) enjoyment from being "rich" or wealthy
and indulge in the options that it can open up.
Both will be comfortable but the honest right brain biased person can be happy and content regardless of the wealth they have. A left brain
psychopathic type can only feel happy(content)if they are "winning" or being stimulated in some way.