CBO:Top 40% Paid 106.2% of Income Taxes; Bottom 40% Paid -9.1%

HanzHenry
The short sighted.. ME, ME, selfishness EXUDES in the OP..

Wait a moment... I make my money. I'm the one who worked for my money. I'm the one who took personal responsibility to get myself into a position where I could make my money.


...and I'm the selfish one here?

BULL-FRICKIN-CRAP!

Party 1: Works hard, makes reasonable living for self (before forced charity redistributions occur), asks for nothing except the right to the fruits of their own labor. Is often called greedy or selfish for simply vocalizing their want to keep what they, themselves EARNED through their own blood, sweat, and tears.

Party 2: Feels entitled to a cut from work they did not have any part in, expects their lifestyle to be subsidized simply because they exist, believes in this grand conspiracy theory regarding why their personal position in life is always someone else's fault, holds to the concept that they have a right to constantly jam their hands in the pockets of those around them and anyone who dares question their justification is clearly a greedy son-of-a-bitch. Is often heralded as being "held down", "less fortunate", or "in need" because these carefully selected terms elicit sympathy and patronization when used alongside the "greedy tax payer" propaganda terms above.

You see, the accusations of greediness or selfishness thrown against those of us who just wish to keep what we worked for are a prime example of emotional flailing and mud slinging in the face of a logical argument. Redistribution of wealth isn't logical. Socialism isn't logical. Actually making it or falling flat on your face based off of your own merits and your own motivational drive is logical. It's survival of the fittest and the arguments against it rely solely on elictation of sympathy and manufactured/goaded guilt.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


You most certainly require some background on both banking and the investment class this continues to promote.



Now I'd advise you to think instead of presenting more of the ill-advised rhetoric.

My grandfather was 1st wave at Omaha Beach Normandy in WW2. He had an 8th grade education. My grandmother worked at the local tank plant building munitions. She actually built parts that went on the bombs that were dropped on Japan. She didn't have much of an education either. My grandmother was born on a kitchen table and grew up on a tobacco farm. My grandfather grew up in a dirt floor shack in the hills of Kentucky. Both came from the south to work at the factories in the north. Both retired with full pensions and enough money live out their days comfortably. Over the past 30 years I've watched everything they fought and worked for be systematically destroyed by those at the top. Between 2000 and 2004 I watched entire industrial complexes disappear over night. Everything that could be outsourced has been. The American worker can't compete with China India and Mexico.

40% of American's didn't become useless eaters on the tax payers dole because they wanted to be. The stock market right now is riding record highs. Someones making a lot of money in this country. There is a serious problem when almost half the country can't afford to feed themselves but the stock market is breaking records. It's just goes to show how disproportionately things really are. America is far from being poor you just have a select few hoarding all the wealth. The best part about trickle down economics is when those at the top pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.

HUMBLEONE
106.2 + 9.1= 115.3 115.3 %??? WTF? Very sloppy propaganda.

edit on 9-12-2013 by HUMBLEONE because: (no reason given)

Exactly what i was thinking.

Listen, for those that don't know, or refuse to see it...100% of the total amount is all there is.

Take an apple, cut it into 100 pieces...each piece would be 1% of the whole apple, or the total amount of apple.

OK...no more apple can magically appear and you certainly cannot make 106% of an apple, as you'd have to magic 6 extra pieces.

It's the law of appledynamics, and the conservation of apple segments...you can't get extra apple for nothing.

100% of something is all there is period.

So the next time you tell your boss you will give a task 200% effort...he or she will realise you're an idiot and probably fire you.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


I agree with you, but want to ask..

what % of those unemployed were made unemployed, because the top % outsourced their jobs to increase their own profits.

Americans, largely, would work if the jobs were there.
But corporations would rather rake in profits and outsource the jobs to cheap slave labour

This forces many many many Americans onto the dole.

Then you have the negative effect where 2000 people apply for one job and offer to do it at half the usual salary, forcing skilled people out of work also.

Its a long, viscous circle and it ALL starts at the top!

reply to post by Agit8dChop


I agree, and again I blame the politicians on both sides of the aisle for this all. If DC would pull their heads out of their asses and reimplement import taxes and tariffs, tear up the ignorant agreements like NAFTA, and actively penalize companies for moving their production sector out of the USA, things would change.

Trickle down economics works and is absolutely the way to go, but not in a globalist dominated system.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


what YOU BLED for?

what country do YOU live in..

The casino table/ slot machine you are at is winning right now.. That is ALL you have done.. Played a PART.

the Casino itself was built by OTHERS, the machines in the casino was built by OTHERS..

Can YOU say that EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, YOUR ANCESTORS... YOUR BLOOD.. PLAYED A PART IN EVERY STEP>. from A - Z?

And FURTHER... did YOU PERSONALLY serve in the military? If not, you are freeloading...as those that serve make it ALL POSSIBLE.. through their offense or their defense..

HanzHenry
And FURTHER... did YOU PERSONALLY serve in the military? If not, you are freeloading...as those that serve make it ALL POSSIBLE.. through their offense or their defense..

Hmmm...
Really? Apart from Afghanistan, what was the last military excursion the USA participated in that was directly responsible for eliminating a threat to the safety and sanctity of US soil and American citizens? World War 2 happened many decades before I was born, friend.

Who funds the military? Who's tax dollars pay for the soldiers and all of the Pentagon's little toys? Do you think the soldiers are uncompensated and do you believe Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrup outfit that military out of the goodness of their hearts? That takes money which the government gets from tax payers. You wanna talk freeloading, how about all the other spending programs that leach tax dollars away from the military in the first place?

reply to post by burdman30ott6


ww2, the nation, the economy, the laws, the prevailing wages, the quality of life, etc..

ALL BEFORE YOUR TIME... RIGHT.. so you did NOT get where you are on your own,.

It is through a corrupted and manipulated completely controlled and contrived system..

And you have conveniently dodged numerous direct questions..

Dodging... the keyword..

Agit8dChop
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

I agree with you, but want to ask..

what % of those unemployed were made unemployed, because the top % outsourced their jobs to increase their own profits.

Some people care NOT how they got their chair, never admitting the game. Nope, they got that chair fair and square. They were in front of the chair when the music stopped. They are better at walking around chairs and listening to music than others.. It is THEIR CHAIR DARN IT!..

They are angry that others without a chair want one.. and are sitting a little TOO CLOSE to his..

Darn those that control the music, darn those that build enough chairs but keep some in the warehouse, and Darn those that put less chairs than is needed into the game,,

Nope, he has his chair and that is all that matters.. Sure, others should have chairs too. But if that means in order for them to get one too WE ALL HAVE TO STOP PLAYING THE GAME... great..

Until HE is confronted with giving up his chair too.. then, NOPE... those others needs to keep listening for the music to start again.., then ... maybe then...

HanzHenry
Some people care NOT how they got their chair, never admitting the game. Nope, they got that chair fair and square. They were in front of the chair when the music stopped. They are better at walking around chairs and listening to music than others.

Nope. I know how I got "my chair." I went to college, got an engineering degree, and worked in menial labor jobs while many of the folks I grew up with either got meaningless degrees in the liberal arts so they could party it up and still get a degree or grabbed the first job they could find with whatever employer was hiring at good starting pay/extremely limited oportunity and wage growth positions.

I worked, I studied, and I lived close to the bone for 6 years. Then I lived even closer to the bone when I moved my ass to another state where the job I wanted was. I waited until I had my feet under me before I got married and then we waited another few years before we started having kids to make sure we had our feet under us and had those feet on solid ground.

It's called personal responsibility and economic maturity. Instead of sitting around inventing excuses and attempting to create this giant boogeyman that I can blame when MY plans didn't work out or MY efforts fell short, I simply tightened the belt, revised the plan, and doubled the effort. That used to be called "The American Way," unfortunately the new American Way is sitting on your ass with your hand out waiting for a sympathetic soul to forget you were just calling them a boogeyman and open their wallets to you either phsyically or via their vote.

HanzHenry
so you did NOT get where you are on your own

Yes? No? I don't know? You're asking a loaded question, dude. Obviously I recieved things along the way...
A strong work ethic from my parents
A strong respect for personal responsibility from my parents
Ideas for my career path and understanding of that path from mentors

I have not recieved more from the IRS in "refund money" than I paid in taxes in any given year, however.

That check the IRS is cutting to 40% of the country according to the CBO... They didn't make that. They didn't pay for that. The other 60% of the country did. They have us to thank for it, but instead we recieve nothing but greedy entitlement attitudes and whining about how it is never enough.

But go ahead, view it all as a "game" if that makes it easier to accept personal financial shortcomings and avoid acceptance of personal responsibility. The middle class will be here for the 40% until enough of us get fed up by it and make sweeping changes to the system, after that... mmmmmm you never know what the future holds.

The shills on this sight must love to browse these threads where people toss blame around on who to be mad at because we have a sucky system.

like watching a dog chasing its own tail.

reply to post by burdman30ott6


You never served in the military = freeloader.. in that ALL THIS NATION HAS is due to THOSE THAT SERVE..

AND< to ACTUALLY STATE YOU BLED!!?!?

FFS... the pomposity,. and cowardice.

corvuscorrax
The shills on this sight must love to browse these threads where people toss blame around on who to be mad at because we have a sucky system.

like watching a dog chasing its own tail.

It's not hard at all to spot the shills. They're either knowingly or unknowingly perpetuating this bs:

HanzHenry
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

You never served in the military = freeloader.. in that ALL THIS NATION HAS is due to THOSE THAT SERVE..

AND< to ACTUALLY STATE YOU BLED!!?!?

FFS... the pomposity,. and cowardice.

Were you in the military? If so, thanks for the service and you're welcome for the paycheck and benefits.

And yes, I did bleed. I accidentally caught myself with a broken pocket clip on a pen once while I was filling out my 1040 form. Bled from the webbing of the hand for awhile. Later recieved a letter from the state demanding the equivalent of 15% of the amount of blood I'd dripped on the federal form.

MysterX
Listen, for those that don't know, or refuse to see it...100% of the total amount is all there is.

Take an apple, cut it into 100 pieces...each piece would be 1% of the whole apple, or the total amount of apple.

Except if you are the United States government and can print more 'apples'. Then you can chop them into a million pieces and hand them out to anyone you want. Why do you think we have a deficit?

If the government only spent 100% of what it took in there would be anarchy the next day as every program, agency and subsidy would collapse. Instead we print, borrow and spend close to 200% of what we actually collect.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

Romney was right (not that I haven't said this all along, but it's great to have some statistical facts to back it up suddenly)... he lost the election largely because of the 40% of Americans who wouldn't vote against their Meal Ticket.

... the bottom 40% RECIEVED an average of $18,950 FROM the government while the top 20% PAID 92.9% of all Federally collected taxes. Recieving is always going to come out on top of paying as far as the math goes.

The article you linked to clearly explains that the overwhelming majority of this 'meal ticket' goes to people collecting social security checks and paying doctor's bills with medicare. It seems like you've got something against people who worked to pay in to the system for their whole lives getting what they were promised.

My grandfather fought in world war 2, came home and worked every year paying into social security and medicare and raising five kids.

Now that he's in his 80's he's collecting social security, gets help from medicare and VA hospitals. Go ahead, call him a parasite; this is a free country, thanks to people like him.

I went to college, got an engineering degree

Looks like you have some trouble reading for understanding, or you wouldn't be in this thread calling social security recipients who supported the system their whole lives 'useless eaters'.

DrEugeneFixer
Looks like you have some trouble reading for understanding, or you wouldn't be in this thread calling social security recipients who supported the system their whole lives 'useless eaters'.

Let's test your reading comprehension since you seem to have already graded my own. Where in this thread do I call anyone a 'useless eater?'

You have to be very diligent throwing study results around. I have worked in the area of statistics and analytics for most of my adult life... 30+ years in the field. You have heard the expression "you can make statistics say anything you want'. The statement was made by an idiot. That can only happen if you manipulate the way the data is presented. Top 40% vs. bottom 40% is a pretty spurious comparison. It implies (or allows the reader to infer) that the distribution of the payment of taxes follows income. That is hardly true. Mine the data that's available from the Commerce Dept and you'll see that is far from the truth. This misleads and is intellectually dishonest. There are certainly people on the lower end of the economic ladder that game the system. But that pales in comparison to the amounts 'gamed' at the other end through creative accounting and tax laws that were designed by and for the wealthy. If that were not the case it would have been impossible for the unprecedented accretion of wealth to the top we have seen over the last 15yrs.

jtma508
You have to be very diligent throwing study results around. I have worked in the area of statistics and analytics for most of my adult life... 30+ years in the field. You have heard the expression "you can make statistics say anything you want'. The statement was made by an idiot. That can only happen if you manipulate the way the data is presented. Top 40% vs. bottom 40% is a pretty spurious comparison. It implies (or allows the reader to infer) that the distribution of the payment of taxes follows income. That is hardly true. Mine the data that's available from the Commerce Dept and you'll see that is far from the truth. This misleads and is intellectually dishonest. There are certainly people on the lower end of the economic ladder that game the system. But that pales in comparison to the amounts 'gamed' at the other end through creative accounting and tax laws that were designed by and for the wealthy. If that were not the case it would have been impossible for the unprecedented accretion of wealth to the top we have seen over the last 15yrs.

Here's the thing, I agree with you that both ends of the spectrum "abuse" the system. The average person gets caught in the cross fire. Many of my Libertarian/Conservative friends (myself included) feel the same way.

Part of the problem with corporations is that a few at the top lobby for favorable tax codes. They either pay no tax or very little tax. Case and point: GE, lead by Obama's buddy. If other corporations didn't take advantage of every legal loophole they could, you'd have class action suits by investors (and your employees and customers may not be happy with you either).

Many of us want a simple flat tax or a simple progressive tax system, with no deductions. You pay a fair percent of your income/profits. I could also see some sort of sales tax as well.