Chemtails and Goal Posts

The chemtrail community will NEVER become unified. I have come to accept this. In discussing chemtrails, every time you gain ground in getting a person to comprehend basic science, the goal posts get moved. That way, nobody will ever be able to prove anything.

If, ah, that elusive word "if". If the chemtrail community was organized, they would be able to have a clear concise definition of what constitutes a chemtrail. Then, if a "trail" could be identified, it could be tested for any and all chemicals, then either the theory is proven or dis proven.

I have come to believe that there are agents of the chemtrail conspiracy that perpetuate the lies and infiltrate forums like this one to INTENTIONALLY muddy the waters to ensure that unity never happens. After all, if unity was to occur, then the theory could become fact. No more revenue from movies, no more speaking engagements, no more donations to "help the cause" And poor Jeff Rense would have to find a real job.

So remember, when the claim of "shill" comes out, the real Shill may be screaming the loudest.

reply to post by network dude


My thoughts exactly,

Not much more to say.


I just want a unified definition to go from,

I am as paranoid as the rest of us, but without any unity how can any conspiracy be proven.

The only unity I see is the belief people have of this happening.

Edit: I starred and flagged, then hit the flag button again and now it says fail, not my intention or thoughts of this thread. tried flagging again but when moving mouse over flag it says remove flags.

I flag this thread as I believe Network has a very valid point that should be considered by all believers of this conspiracy as it can only give strength to be proven to be one of the many purposes brought up over the years or debunked as another psychological deception perpetuated by some to gain financially from an ignorant audience.

InhaleExhale
reply to post by network dude

 

but without any unity how can any conspiracy be proven.

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies. Its up to each person to determine what is proof for themselves. Hence, no unity.

reply to post by network dude


ZDF (a public german TV-station) brought something on chemtrails.:



And that one states that chemtrails consist of sulfur dioxide ([de] Schwefeldioxid).
(Sorry for the video being in german. If you need a translation just PM me )


Hope you find this videos interresting.

reply to post by hewriteshere


Actually, in the first video he is speaking about Chaff.
Chaff is tiny aluminum strips that are ejected from pods on aircraft to cause a huge radar image. The purpose is to confuse radar so a radar guided missile would not destroy the plane. The chemtrail shills will convolute anything they can and manipulate stories to fit their agenda.

Watch the first video again and think about what Chaff is.

You have been used just as you were supposed to be.

Tucket

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies. Its up to each person to determine what is proof for themselves. Hence, no unity.

So no conspiracies have ever been proven before? Think again.

If the chemtrail community could all agree on what a chemtrail consists of, there would be no conspiracy. That is my point.

reply to post by Tucket

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies.

Maybe you need to look up a definition of what a conspiracy is.

Its up to each person to determine what is proof for themselves.

Unfortunately in reality what people consider proof for themselves and what constitutes proof are two completely differing things.

Hence, no unity.

So the delusion can grow in ambiguity?

So believers really don't want to know, just keep feeding their fear porn addictions.

InhaleExhale

So believers really don't want to know, just keep feeding their fear porn addictions.

Ladies and gentlemen, no more calls please, we have a winner.

InhaleExhale
reply to post by Tucket

 

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies.

Maybe you need to look up a definition of what a conspiracy is.

You missed my point.

As for your comments at the bottom, see the OP. He said something about shills screaming the loudest.

reply to post by network dude


Yes, my viewpoint in a nutshell. Every time you start to get anywhere near a discussion with one believer, another one will jump in and start arguing points that are completely unrelated to anything either of you have said, it's insane.

reply to post by hewriteshere


In your first video the word Duppel is translated as chemtrail every time it appears. Duppel means chaff, this was the lie the hoaxers used on that occasion. Don't be their sock puppet.

reply to post by waynos


I thought it was that same video, but it's a different one. The weather man talks about the incoming front, then mentions the weird returns on the screen and attributes them to the military exercise. It's funny because all he is doing is describing Chaff, but the English translation tells exactly what he said, then makes the logic leap that since he admits military planes did this, chemtrails are real.

I am surprised I didn't see the Tanker Enemy logo at the bottom. I don't speak German, so I have no idea what the second video is. It looked like a typical chemmie video, but without knowing the verbiage, I have no idea.

Tucket

InhaleExhale
reply to post by network dude

 

but without any unity how can any conspiracy be proven.

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies.

rubbish.

conspiracies are proved "beyond reasonable doubt" in courts all around eth world every day (more or less)

A conspiracy THEORY can even be proved - at which point of course it stops being a theory

reply to post by network dude


Thank you, I've seen that video so often I didnt even look. My error.

I have now looked and its not a lie. He says there is an anomalous return at around 6-6km high caused by military aeroplanes, something artificial rather than weather.

Chaff dispensation would easily cause this. Has anyone who thinks this is in any way confirmation of chemtrails done anything to eliminate that as a possible cause, or did you just leap straight to the assumption it had to be chemtrails?

Aloysius the Gaul

Tucket

InhaleExhale
reply to post by network dude

 

but without any unity how can any conspiracy be proven.

Conspiracies cannot be proven (to the skeptic). That's why they are called conspiracies.

rubbish.

conspiracies are proved "beyond reasonable doubt" in courts all around eth world every day (more or less)

A conspiracy THEORY can even be proved - at which point of course it stops being a theory

Ok. I should've included the word "theory" in my initial post. My bad. But the chemtrail theory will never be proven to the skeptic here on ATS. More than a decade after 9/11, the event is still considered a conspiracy theory.

Tucket
Its up to each person to determine what is proof for themselves.

Of course, anyone can tell themselves anything to help them sleep better at night. But, the only kind of proof that would prove "chemtrails" are real is scientific proof, in a lab, tested independently, multiple times from multiple locations.

Once a scientific test can be repeatedly proven multiple times with the same results, then that can become proof.


- Looking up in the sky and seeing numerous criss-crossing contrails, or seeing some contrails persist while others evaporate, is not proof of "chemtrails".

- Observing soil samples with higher-than-normal elements that occur naturally in nature is not proof of "chemtrails".


Repeatable, verifiable scientific laboratory evidence that the trails in the sky are purposely being laced with chemicals, is the only evidence that will prove "chemtrails".

Until this happens, "chemtrails" will continue to be referred to as a hoax.

network dude
The chemtrail community will NEVER become unified. I have come to accept this.

If you have come to accept this, why start another thread about it? Your opinion is widely known on every other chemtrail thread that I've read.

On the subject of unification, I think the key is people coming together despite their differences.

Tucket

On the subject of unification, I think the key is people coming together despite their differences.

wow - that's deep!

_BoneZ_

Tucket
Its up to each person to determine what is proof for themselves.

Until this happens, "chemtrails" will continue to be referred to as a hoax.

Then you may as well move this thread to the Hoax forum.

Aloysius the Gaul

Tucket

On the subject of unification, I think the key is people coming together despite their differences.

wow - that's deep!

:lol

That's shallow

Edit: Sorry, that was a quick response. Just trying to relate to the OP.