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Originally posted by Openeye
So if there is one political/ethical issue I have a really big problem dealing with it is the issue of abortion. The complexity of this issue to me seems extraordinary. I mean I would rather get into a Israel vs Palestine debate and find it less complicated than abortion.
In this hand I hold the position that abortion should not be illegal, because the state (IMO) does not have the right to impose laws to control the human body.
On the other hand I have serious ethical issues with the practice. These beings are human and despite being unfortunately tethered to another human being for a period of time they will eventually become fully functional members of our society.
Most pro-choice advocates argue that a woman should no have to be burdened with pregnancy if she does not want to be. The same way a father or mother should not be compelled to donate organs to save their child if they do not wish to.
I tried to come up with an analogy about abortion to try and simplify the issue but it did not help at all.
Lets say you have two guys on a train that is traveling on a cliff side. Now the train derails and is hanging over the side of the cliff. One of these men (man 1) is about to fall and clings to the other mans arm (man 2) to prevent himself from falling. Now at any moment the train could fall and the longer the men hold on to each other the greater the risk that both of them will die.
Now lets say for the sake of argument that man 2 is incapable of pulling up man 1. If he stays holding on to the man they both will die. Now while sad I do not find it unethical that man 2 would let go to save himself, in fact I would say it was necessary.
However lets say that man 2 is completely capable of pulling up man 1, but is simply unwilling to. If he lets go is that not unethical?
The above may not be the best of analogies, it is probably grossly simplistic.
I have been watching lots and lots of debates on this issue and they just make me scratch my head more.
So ATS can we discuss this issue here without having a flame war with each other (probably asking a little much there I know)?
the heart of the baby starts beating 22 days after conception
The abortion debate is a non-issue. The SCOTUS decision onRoe vs Wade is set in stone. It's not going to change.