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it could be said that the pool of persons "playing cop" these days should be rendered unarmed before any law-abiding citizen.
With that reality it would be good to have some discretion as to whom we allow to "play cop" with real world lethal consequences.
honestly indigo5, you might want to get an education before you attempt to educate others.
Honestly, if you are unaware of the "Castle Docterine" and the difference between "Stand Your Ground"...then I don't have the time to educate.
Originally posted by neo96
You have to admit all the animosity geared toward SYG laws is only the government, and the police are suppose to come save you.
Your not suppose to have guns, your not suppose to protect yourself so then why are people still dying in this country?
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Indigo5
honestly indigo5, you might want to get an education before you attempt to educate others.
Honestly, if you are unaware of the "Castle Docterine" and the difference between "Stand Your Ground"...then I don't have the time to educate.
SYG is a necessity, not a luxury.
Castle doctrine is a given and has been for most of the years of my life.
and, after having been raped 3 times, none of which occurred at home, i will forever support SYG over Castle doctrine, any day.
sentenced to 20 years in prison for defending herself against her violent and abusive husband.
32-year-old African-American mother of three.
In July 2010, after Rico Gray saw texts on his wife’s phone, he confronted her in a rage and threatened her. Alexander used her gun to fire a warning shot into the ceiling to scare off her husband. Nobody was hit, injured, or killed.
Alexander, who had no criminal record, was arrested.
Alexander—who did not kill or injure anyone—is in jail for 20 years.
Alexander’s abusive husband Rico Gray—who said in his deposition, “I got five baby mammas, and I [hit] every last one of them except for one”—
which means if there is "ANY reasonable doubt" that the shooter did NOT believe they were threatened, then they must aquit.
Originally posted by Honor93
private property and public ???
are you serious ?
which part of the castle doctrine permits use of lethal force in public spaces ??
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Indigo5
if this isn't a typo then it's just plain wrong.
which means if there is "ANY reasonable doubt" that the shooter did NOT believe they were threatened, then they must aquit.
any reasonable doubt that the shooter DID believe they were threatened ... not what you said.
nope, don't think it, KNOW It.
If you think SYG is some advantage to abused women, think again
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Indigo5
sure it does.
when i was victimized, SYG didn't exist and i had no options.
retreat was impossible.
· In Louisiana early this year, a grand jury cleared 21-year-old Byron Thomas after he fired into an SUV filled with teenagers after an alleged marijuana transaction went sour. One of the bullets struck and killed 15-year-old Jamonta Miles. Although the SUV was allegedly driving away when Thomas opened fire, Lafourche Parish Sheriff Craig Webre said to local media that as far as Thomas knew, someone could have jumped out of the vehicle with a gun. Thomas, said the sheriff, had “decided to stand his ground.”
Louisiana’s Stand Your Ground law was enacted just a year after Florida introduced its law.
· In April, 22-year-old Cordell Jude shot and killed Daniel Adkins Jr., a pedestrian who walked in front of Jude’s car just as Jude was pulling up to the window of a Taco Bell drive-thru in Arizona. Jude claimed Adkins had waved his arms in the air, wielding what Judge thought was a metal pipe – it was actually a dog leash. Jude shot the 29-year-old Adkins, who was mentally disabled, once in the chest. As of May, an arrest had not been made in the April 3 shooting. Arizona passed a Stand Your Ground law in 2010.
Originally posted by Honor93
so, what are you suggesting, exactly ??
no lethal force use in public spaces ??
good luck with that one.
Originally posted by Honor93
the fact remains that obama DID co-sponsor legislation that enhanced existing self-defense laws in Illinois ... if you want to pick at its Name, feel free.
No...the burden of proof is on the prosecution...the jury can doubt that the shooter felt threatened...BUT if there is any doubt that the shooter did NOT feel threatened..they must aquit.
again, you're confused.
I am suggesting NOT expanding self defense laws to the "perception" of a threat and allowing a Jury to consider the possibility that the shooter, who is lethally armed, could have walked away from that "percieved" threat.
then change the laws in that state since it isn't FL ... what we have here, works and that's good enough for millions of us
BUT it is NOT anything to do with the shoot-as-you-please SYG law which permits folks like the case I cited above to shoot and kill someone waving a dog leash at the Taco Bell.