Hello my question is that when many Western People say Muslims/Islam are/is Sexist against Women bec

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Apparently you Didn't. . Read that again . .. ..

" Payam Amini, one of the gang .... said just before he was executed: "We are guilty but we didn't kill anybody. We do not deserve to die." "

His statement suggests that he is being executed for Murder. He even says so. As though rape is No Big Thing.

A condemned man will Often say he is Not Guilty.

The problem here is prespective and culture.

If you grow up eating shrimp, you will see the comparison between a beetle larva and the shrimp. But for a person who only seen Betle Larva, the Shrimp is digusting too.

Many Western women see Muslim women's clothing as oppressive because they are covered. But a Muslim women might see it as being modest and polite.

Say thing with Muslim women when they look at Western women, they will see a Western women strip to her bikini to impress and show off her body, to them it might seem a bit animal like behaviour, and they do nothave self respect that they have to use their body.



Its really the perspective when it comes to clothing.

What i really find interesting is the Saree in Indian customs, it covers top and bottom but it leaves a gap in the middle, yet it is not seen as oppressive by the men or women, yet Indian women are modest and polite as well.

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum

His statement suggests that he is being executed for Murder. He even says so. As though rape is No Big Thing.

His statements suggest that he protested his sentence...because he said he never killed anybody.

According to the link I posted we can gather that
a) Islamic laws call for the execution of the rapist.
b) The rapist himself admitted he didn't kill his victim.

His statement suggests that he is being executed for Murder. He even says so. As though rape is No Big Thing.

His statement suggests that he thinks he shouldn't be executed for rape.
Like saying " Hey, I only raped her... I didn't kill her... so don't execute me"

As though rape is No Big Thing.

Yeah, rape is no big thing in the minds of rapists.
However, it is a big thing, according to Islamic law.

In western countries, rapists would either be walking out on bail.... or enjoy meals and a cozy bed paid for by tax payers.... until they serve their sentence.

Or perhaps I'm wrong and your country calls for rapists to be executed. Feel free to correct me.

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That picture that you posted really does NOT represent the way Indian women generally dress.

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Originally posted by luciddream

I remembered this same exact cartoon earlier on in this thread.

I'm not Muslim , so my opinion is anecdotal (at best) and i don't want to upset Muslims.
'Me' follow any religion it's your personal choice.

My question I find the conversion by force characteristic of Islam a problem, can someone
enlighten and explain that issue.

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My question I find the conversion by force characteristic of Islam a problem

If Islam had a "convert by force" policy

a)the whole world would either be Muslim by now.

or

b) Islam would have become extinct...

....considering the fact that Muslims were, at one point small in number and Islam would have faced massive resistance from all those non-Islamic countries.

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Well didn't you open the proverbial can'o'worms. This subject never ever will reach a consensus. Opinions are too strong on either side.

Originally posted by applesthateatpeople
American1: "a muslim believes in stoning women to death for being raped."
American2: "we should kill them all."
American1: "exactly"

Poppy cock.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Why would anyone be forced to wear their own traditional clothing???

Ask the women in Iran who are beaten by the 'morals police' for daring to wear sandles or show a wrist. Ask the ghosts of the girls in Saudi Arabia who were sent back into a burning school because they ran out of it without their headcoverings to escape the flames. And the MALE fire fighters sent them back into the flames to get their head coverings.

OF COURSE the women are forced. If they don't ... they get beaten or killed.
If they were free and educated like the rest of the world, they'd be able to
make their own choices. No education .. no exposure to other women who
aren't subjugated ... being beaten for not following male muslim laws ...
that all equals women being forced to wear what the men want them to.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Did you also notice that in the second link, the judge said....

Rape is punished by death in our laws.

And yet women and girls continue to be put to death for 'adultry' when they are infact the rape victims.

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Whereas Muslim women are obliged to dress modestly in the extreme, Western women are under media pressure to dress as revealingly as possible, leaving very little to the imagination in some cases, looking at current fashion trends. ( U.K. At least.)

I think the dress code ought to lie somewhere in between.

The great Hollywood costumier, Edith Head once remarked:

" a woman's clothes should be tight enough to show that she is a woman, and loose enough to show that she is a lady "

Wise words, I would say....

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And yet women and girls continue to be put to death for 'adultry' when they are infact the rape victims.

Read my previous posts in this thread, anti-christ.

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The answer to your inquiry is brutally simple unless you are brainwashed by a meme. I infer that this is your real problem.

In the west, Women can do just about anything men can do.
In Islamic theocracy, minor offenses of religious code covering a wide array of day to day behavior is punishable by mutilation and/or death.

So, you might be unable to perceive the difference but most people can.

Originally posted by mikejohnson2006
Hello my question is that when many Western People say Muslims/Islam are/is Sexist against Women because many Muslim Women wear a Burqa/Veil/Hijab but I have met Muslims who claim the Western World oppresses Women because the West has Prostitution Pornography and Strip Clubs/Bars how do I respond to this claim ? In America we do have a Constitution so we could passlaws to outlaw Pornography if the people wanted them and Congress voted on this the Soviet Union was an Secular Atheist State and they banned/outlawed Pornography ? My final question is for a Woman to dress Modest does she need to wear a Burqa ?

the response is easy. women have the CHOICE to wear or not wear pretty much what ever they please without fear of arrest, harassment and worse. heck in some places like Ontario ladies don't even need to cover their breasts

you could also remind them that prostitution is illegal in most western countries, (it may be legal in some south american and European countries, i'm not sure), yet many choose that life. those involved in pornography and stripping normally do it yet again by choice. they have the CHOICE, that is what non-oppression is about.

it's sad in my opinion, but i have known and talked to quite a few ladies that participate in "hooking", and "stripping" EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was PROUD of what they do and WANT that life. in fact when it comes to the prostitutes they would like it to be legal in order to improve both theirs and their customer's safety as if legal there would be laws and standards in place that would help insure this. as well they would be able to "operate" out in the open out of the shadows and would not fear going to the police with problems.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Read my previous posts in this thread, anti-christ.

1 - I did. And I responded.
2 - My religious beliefs are irrelevant. You are throwing mud instead of addressing the subject.
3 - You failed to address the very good points I made. Deflection attempt = failure.

- 'Morals police' in Iran do indeed force women to dress as the muslim men dictate.
- In Saudi Arabia those poor school girls were sent back into a burning school to die a horrid death by fire, all because the Muslim fireMEN demanded that they go back in to get their head coverings.

Tell me how this isn't Muslm men forcing women to wear what they don't want?
Go ahead and try.

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Your logic is flawed. Evangelism by force is but one plank in the platform. There are many planks covering many areas of life. Effective design I must say.

Islam and humanity are in opposition. One or the other will survive --not both.

reply to post by FlyersFan

My religious beliefs are irrelevant.

To me, a posters religious beliefs ARE relevant..
My responses to people on religious topics are customized to their religious backgrounds... at least, as far as religious topics are concerned.

In Saudi Arabia those poor school girls were sent back into a burning school to die a horrid death by fire, all because the Muslim fireMEN demanded that they go back in to get their head coverings.

Tell me how this isn't Muslm men forcing women to wear what they don't want?
Go ahead and try.

The real story is not as dramatic as you make it seem.

link

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Most of the time people on the other side of the world take 1 story and make it as if it happens everyday.

I wouldn't be surprised of other world thinks gun massacre happens everyday in America.

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Islam and humanity are in opposition. One or the other will survive --not both.

I could make the same comparison with almost anything I can think of....

"Christianity and humanity are in opposition. One or the other will survive --not both."

"Atheism and humanity are in opposition. One or the other will survive --not both."

"Multi-national corporations and humanity are in opposition. One or the other will survive --not both."

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Can Islam accept co existence with other religions?

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O.K. I might agree Somewhat.

Only a few Muslim countries give the Death Penalty for Rape.
According to Wikipedia: Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. That is 6 Countries in that region of 57 Countries.

My Original Point was that Rape Victims are executed more so that the criminals.

Why execute the victims? .. Because they are Female and the Female Populous is Looked down upon.


P.S. .. .
According to your statement . .. . .. "However, it is a big thing, according to Islamic law"
If that is so then why is it ONLY a "Big Thing" in 6 countries in that region .. . . ?