Fate VS Destiny. A clarification.

What is fate? What is destiny?

Fate is unavoidable. Destiny is malleable.

Fate can not be changed. A mortal man will die, this is his fate. The sun will eventually darken and die, that is its fate. What goes up MUST come down, ect.... Fate is not chosen. Fate is even before we even come into being.

Destiny can be forged. A man can choose to study and become more learned. A piece of metal can be forged into a sword or a scale. Really destiny is chosen.

It can be said that destiny is will, and fate is consequence. In this case the consequence comes before the choice. The chicken before the egg....

One example I like is a ball and a hill.

If a man has a ball in his hands and is standing before the hill, he can choose to roll it to the top or not. It is his destiny to roll it to the top because he chooses to do so, because he CAN.

Fate is the unavoidable consequence of the ball rolling back down. The fate of the ball at the top of the hill is to eventually roll back down. Nothing can stop it eternally.

Destiny was that of the man being at the bottom of the hill with a ball. He could have rolled it up, or back up, or chosen not to.

destiny must be embraced. The son of a king could chose not to embrace his destiny and not rule in his fathers place. He must choose his destiny as it chooses him. Anyone could have been born as the son of the king, but only the the kings son can choose to become the next king.

destiny could also be seen as a powerful leader having an army under his command seeing his destiny as that of taking power away from the king. He could choose to see his destiny as that of being the kings high protector, or his greatest enemy. He forges his own destiny.

Destiny is choice. To do something because you can.

Fate is that of the kings reign. It can not be eternal. His dominion/ rule is not guaranteed. His fate is to one day not be king. He will die or be usurped. That is his fate.

Fate is unavoidable consequence. To have something happen no matter what you do.

Exactly!

You sum it up real well.

S&F!

Fate is what forces one to a decision Destiny is whats beyond that decision

I use a simple movie parable from the matrix
You see the merovingion or French dude who likes to make deals uses fate to put other to decide giving himself favorable options no matter what choice is made but he himself is still unable to look beyond his own choices and understand there effect

The oracle on the other hand can intuitively interput and understand the choices of others and even herself up to point which even she says that no one and I mean no one know beyond a choice they don't understand

Another interesting dichotomy I of the characters kronos who is the prince of fate in hell and that of yvis the arch angel of Destiny in the Steven Jackson game innomina

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


Wrong.

You can change your fate. Fate is something man-made and/or self created. You create your own fate or be dictated by others for the choices you make on your free will.

Destiny is from the divine and it CANNOT be changed by man. That which is destined will happen, just as the sun is destined to die out in a billion years time, or the planet continues its revolution around the sun in 365 earth days.

It is not ' just semantics'.

Some claimed that they are fated to fail always, and thus gives up trying. Thomas Edison did not believed in fate. He tried and tried many times with his electrical experiments, and finally, he found success.

Rewrite it :- Some claimed that they are destined to fail always and thus give up trying, but the thing is, 'WHO' destined them to fail?

If Edison believed that a higher power destined him to fail, he would have prayed and asked if that was His Will, or not. If he gets no answer, he would have continued experimenting, and that was propably what happened when he finally succeeded.

Point is - who can today claim that he has a direct number to the Almighty? None. No one knows what is our destiny, except whatever that had been recorded in holy scriptures among mainstream religion. And when we 'feel' His words in our hearts, it only reflects the same message from those scriptures - moral and eithical guidelines for us to progress and evolve.

Fate is man-made, and is often pointed out by other mortals to another fellow human based upon presumptions of that one person on what he will become. Only a fool will believe the words of another equal mortal without question. Thus the more discerning is fully capable of changing his fate, when made aware of his mistakes, correct them to progress.

Fate and Destiny are words more associated with religion and philosophy, than in everyday technical uses, thus the need to relate those words to where they hold more relevances inorder not to fall into semantic confusion.

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I respectfully disagree.

Destiny is that which you choose. Fate is that which no matter what you do will be true.

You will die. The earth will be consumed by the sun eventually, ect.

Nothing you do can change that.

Destiny is whether you choose to embrace your potential for what ever purpose you see fit.

Having a gun and a bullet.....it is the destiny of the bullet to be fired from the gun....it is not its fate. It is the guns fate to shoot bullets. The bullet can misfire, not be loaded, ect....the gun has its purpose already decided...it must shoot bullets or not. The bullet will not be loaded, or it will. A choice is required. It can not fire itself.

Edison´s destiny was to seek out brilliant men and steal their ideas......he could have seen that his fate was to not be as brilliant as men like Telsa, but he chose to manifest his own destiny, ignoring his fate by making his wealth secure their brilliance, and contracts secure his merit to discoveries.....

fate and destiny are words used to describe the world around us since the dawn of civilization. They are used to put to words the human will and the natural laws of the universe.

fate would be understood to be a meteors impact....a flash flood.....destiny would be a slaves defiance to injustice, a tyrants quest for power.....ect...

des·ti·ny:

1. The inevitable or necessary fate to which a particular person or thing is destined; one's lot.
2. A predetermined course of events considered as something beyond human power or control: "Marriage and hanging go by destiny" (Robert Burton).
3. The power or agency thought to predetermine events: Destiny brought them together.

fate

1.
a. The supposed force, principle, or power that predetermines events.
b. The inevitable events predestined by this force.
2. A final result or consequence; an outcome.
3. Unfavorable destiny; doom.


You're all arguing over nothing. According to these definitions they are a different word for the same thing (see: synonym)

-TheGhoster

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I have never found a dictionary that pleased everyone in every definition. If not we would have ONE and it would be copied...

This is part of linguistics. Some words mean one thing to one group and another to another group.

I would rather see their original meaning and see how they have evolved over time and then ask if they have remained true to their original concept.

Fate is inevitable, this is true. Destiny is not, it originally was used as a will or force of potential energy released. Like ice about to melt in the Tao meaning being the "dragon". The dragon of Tao is destiny. A choice of EMBRACING your potential.

Destiny must be embraced or defied. It is inevitable in the way that a sword MUST be used to kill, yet it can also be defied by destroying the sword and thus its destiny, and instead forge a shield, forging a new destiny.

There is a common occurrence of fusing similar concepts when translating or borrowing them from other cultures. I just had this discussion about "hope" and "faith".....two separate concepts, but to us, NOW, interchangeable.

IMO we are simplifying ideas to make them accommodate our conceptual ideologies instead of adapting ours to those concepts that we add from other sources in their true form.

A nail and a hammer are both "tools", but serve entirely different purposes. They are related and dependent on each other in their purpose, but have entirely different purposes because they are different "tools".

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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I have never found a dictionary that pleased everyone in ever definition. If not we would have ONE and it would be copied...

This is part of linguistics. Some words mean one thing to one group and another to another.

I would rather see their original meaning and see how they have evolved over time and then ask if they have remained true to their original concept.

Fate is inevitable, this is true. Destiny is not, it originally was used as a will or force of potential energy released. Like ice about to melt in the Tao meaning being the "dragon". The dragon of Tao is destiny. A choice of EMBRACING your potential.

Destiny must be embraced or defied. It is inevitable in the way that a sword MUST be used to kill, yet it can also be defied by destroying the sword and thus its destiny, and instead forge a shield, forging a new destiny...

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Ah, got you. Did some digging over good ol' wikipedia:

Although often used interchangeably, the words "fate" and "destiny" have distinct connotations.
Traditional usage defines fate as a power or agency that predetermines and orders the course of events. Fate defines events as ordered or "inevitable" and unavoidable. Classical and European mythology features three goddesses dispensing fate, known as Moirai in Greek mythology, as Parcae in Roman mythology, and as Norns in Norse mythology. They determine the events of the world through the mystic spinning of threads that represent individual human fates.

Destiny is used with regard to the finality of events as they have worked themselves out; and to that same sense of "destination", projected into the future to become the flow of events as they will work themselves out.

en.wikipedia.org...


O.k., well, nothing to say here but point made.

-TheGhoster

reply to post by zedVSzardoz


What about fate concerning a certain destiny ?



Thruthseek3r

The Destiny of the Devil.

Is fate like, when you drop a giant rock on a car, it is smashed?