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Appalachian School of Law shooting in Grundy, Virginia
Gun rights die-hards frequently credit the end of a rampage at the law school in 2002 to armed "students" who intervened. They conveniently ignore that those students also happened to be current and former law enforcement officers, and that the killer, according to police investigators, was out of ammunition by the time they got to him.
Shopping mall shooting in Tacoma, Washington
As a rampage unfolded in 2005, a civilian with a concealed-carry permit named Brendan McKown confronted the assailant with his handgun. The shooter pumped several bullets into McKown, wounding six people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. A comatose McKown eventually recovered after weeks in the hospital.
Middle school dance shooting in Edinboro, Pennsylvania
An ambiguous case from 1998, in which the shooter may well have already been done shooting: After killing a teacher and wounding three others, the 14-year-old perpetrator left the dance venue. The owner of the venue followed him outside with a shotgun, confronting and subduing him in a nearby field until police arrived.
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Simple logic. Police cannot be everywhere all of the time. Thus it is inherent on good people to retain and utilize the means of self defense.
Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by SpaDe_
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I know...I know...I did put a disclaimer in the thread!
I thought it might be interesting to view things from "the other side." I thought wrong!
Originally posted by Cosmic911
Shopping mall shooting in Tacoma, Washington
As a rampage unfolded in 2005, a civilian with a concealed-carry permit named Brendan McKown confronted the assailant with his handgun. The shooter pumped several bullets into McKown, wounding six people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. A comatose McKown eventually recovered after weeks in the hospital.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
"Figures don't lie, but liars can figure."
Motherjones has cherry picked a few examples to underscore a pet point. It is a case of knowing the truth, but still being so scared by the world around you that you ignore the truth for a chance to feel safer.
As a person with a CHL, carrying is not something taken lightly. It's actually a burden, and my gun lies heavy on my hip. It is the same for most CHL holders. The above story shows how not pulling the trigger gets people killed.
Originally posted by MrSpad
No for the most part armed civilians or even cops do and can not stop mass shooters. Their is the off chance the right person with the right training could be in th right spot at the right time. But generaly the more people shooting just mean more people getting shot. We see this in police shoot outs where civlians and other cops are hit in gun fights. It even happens in the military. The problem is the chaos that goes on in such a situation. Cops and anybody esle with a gun will be shooting at anybody with a gun and thus each other. Or anybody who even looks like they have a gun. These sorts of things are hard enough for professionals to handle much less your average american gun owner who has no idea what to do in such situations. Even someone with my back ground at a mass shooting would be hard pressed to find and put down the shooter and avoid popping random freak out people running around or getting shot by a cop or another armed civilian.