Another SEAL Team Six member dead

Soldiers get killed everyday, no a conspiracy just a result of poor decisions by governments.

Originally posted by steppenwolf86

Originally posted by Merinda
First of all, there is no seal team six, it was disbanded in the 80s. The Naval Special Warfare Development Group, which is nicknamed seal team six is an extensive organisation. The Seal killed during the operaiton wasnt necessarily part of the squad which raided the compound.

The active seals are divided into 6 teams. Each team is about 100 men strong, which is split among 3 troops, which again are split into smaller squads.

The team which raided the compound was Red Team. A troop of Gold team got shot down over Afghanistan.

Now what would be interesting to see, is if Navy Seal members have been shifted around, ie if tuhey were designated as part of red team during the operation in Pakistan and reassigned as gold team before the shootdown.

Or even better a list of names of those involved in the raid and the victims of the shootdown for crossreferencing. But of course the names of the seals involved in that operation, or any operation are kept from the public.

edit on 11-12-2012 by Merinda because: (no reason given)

According to No.Easy Day, the team which raided the compound was not a regular team but a handpicked group of the most senior and qualified operators. So to answer your question, yes members were shifted around prior to the OBL operation and afterwards. This is not exactly secret stuff, you may have simply missed it.

Okay that is very odd then, because teams red through gray usually are fixed in location (I think while most are on the west coast one is on the east coast) and train toegether and stay toegether as a unit. The people in red team would stay in red team the way members of the 101st airborne stay in the 101st and dont end up in the 82nd of a sudden. So if there has been some shifting going on, then its at the very least suspicious, because you want a team that has trained toegether and is used to working as a unit.

Are some of the names whom participated on the raid known? Do they reappear in the casuality list? I am guessing they are kept confidential.

Not to mention the Bin Laden raid was over a year and a half ago.

People have transferred in and out of DevGru since then.

Originally posted by steppenwolf86
According to No.Easy Day, the team which raided the compound was not a regular team but a handpicked group of the most senior and qualified operators. So to answer your question, yes members were shifted around prior to the OBL operation and afterwards. This is not exactly secret stuff, you may have simply missed it.

I suspect any of the SOC groups do that, the SF also concoct ad hoc teams out of the same group for specific missions. Sometimes members of A teams are diverted to other duties and B teamers pick up the slot for a few jobs, too.

Originally posted by Merinda
First of all, there is no seal team six, it was disbanded in the 80s. The Naval Special Warfare Development Group, which is nicknamed seal team six is an extensive organisation. The Seal killed during the operaiton wasnt necessarily part of the squad which raided the compound.

The active seals are divided into 6 teams. Each team is about 100 men strong, which is split among 3 troops, which again are split into smaller squads.

The team which raided the compound was Red Team. A troop of Gold team got shot down over Afghanistan.

Now what would be interesting to see, is if Navy Seal members have been shifted around, ie if they were designated as part of red team during the operation in Pakistan and reassigned as gold team before the shootdown.

Or even better a list of names of those involved in the raid and the victims of the shootdown for crossreferencing. But of course the names of the seals involved in that operation, or any operation are kept from the public.

edit on 11-12-2012 by Merinda because: (no reason given)

Your answer is amazingly similar to another poster on the other Nick Cheque Seal Team Six member dead thread.
I don't suppose your husband is a Seal Team Commander, also. LoL.

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter

Originally posted by Merinda
First of all, there is no seal team six, it was disbanded in the 80s. The Naval Special Warfare Development Group, which is nicknamed seal team six is an extensive organisation. The Seal killed during the operaiton wasnt necessarily part of the squad which raided the compound.

The active seals are divided into 6 teams. Each team is about 100 men strong, which is split among 3 troops, which again are split into smaller squads.

The team which raided the compound was Red Team. A troop of Gold team got shot down over Afghanistan.

Now what would be interesting to see, is if Navy Seal members have been shifted around, ie if they were designated as part of red team during the operation in Pakistan and reassigned as gold team before the shootdown.

Or even better a list of names of those involved in the raid and the victims of the shootdown for crossreferencing. But of course the names of the seals involved in that operation, or any operation are kept from the public.

edit on 11-12-2012 by Merinda because: (no reason given)

Your answer is amazingly similar to another poster on the other Nick Cheque Seal Team Six member dead thread.
I don't suppose your husband is a Seal Team Commander, also. LoL.

Lol no, I am not married yet. I do some acrobatics and if you do group acts, it is oftentimes more important how well everybody works together rather than assembling amazing talent.

Also you see it everywhere, the military, sports, shows. The whole point of training is to train toegether to become a unit. You try to upset the unit as little as possible. If you have to get talent you lack in the group, you get a mission specialist. But yeah I looked up the seals and the teams have their fixed place where they train, just like a sports team or a division. Only reason I can think of, of grouping seals toegether is to make sure every team is represented on the raid, but the sole purpose to do that, other than a rather sinister reason, would be politics.

And if politics are the reason, why assign the name of an existing team to that unit? It would be like picking a couple of people from the 82nd, picking a couple from the 101st, throwing in some guys from other Divisions as well and calling that new unit the 101st or the 82nd.

To conclude it all sounds very shady and the fact they pooled people from other units into a group and gave that new team the name of an existing team is very suspicious. Stuff happened that does not happen usually and that is at the very least suspicious. And as long as we dont get to crosscheck the names of the gold troop members whom died with the names of those involved in the Bin Laden raid, it all remains fishy.

But I still do not think this latest causality is related to any of that.

Originally posted by Merinda

Originally posted by PaperbackWriter

Originally posted by Merinda
First of all, there is no seal team six, it was disbanded in the 80s. The Naval Special Warfare Development Group, which is nicknamed seal team six is an extensive organisation. The Seal killed during the operaiton wasnt necessarily part of the squad which raided the compound.

The active seals are divided into 6 teams. Each team is about 100 men strong, which is split among 3 troops, which again are split into smaller squads.

JThe team which raided the compound was Red Team. A troop of Gold team got shot down over Afghanistan.

Now what would be interesting to see, is if Navy Seal members have been shifted around, ie if they were designated as part of red team during the operation in Pakistan and reassigned as gold team before the shootdown.

Or even better a list of names of those involved in the raid and the victims of the shootdown for crossreferencing. But of course the names of the seals involved in that operation, or any operation are kept from the public.

edit on 11-12-2012 by Merinda because: (no reason given)

Your answer is amazingly similar to another poster on the other Nick Cheque Seal Team Six member dead thread.
I don't suppose your husband is a Seal Team Commander, also. LoL.

Lol no, I am not married yet. I do some acrobatics and if you do group acts, it is oftentimes more important how well everybody works together rather than assembling amazing talent.

Also you see it everywhere, the military, sports, shows. The whole point of training is to train toegether to become a unit. You try to upset the unit as little as possible. If you have to get talent you lack in the group, you get a mission specialist. But yeah I looked up the seals and the teams have their fixed place where they train, just like a sports team or a division. Only reason I can think of, of grouping seals toegether is to make sure every team is represented on the raid, but the sole purpose to do that, other than a rather sinister reason, would be politics.

And if politics are the reason, why assign the name of an existing team to that unit? It would be like picking a couple of people from the 82nd, picking a couple from the 101st, throwing in some guys from other Divisions as well and calling that new unit the 101st or the 82nd.

To conclude it all sounds very shady and the fact they pooled people from other units into a group and gave that new team the name of an existing team is very suspicious. Stuff happened that does not happen usually and that is at the very least suspicious. And as long as we dont get to crosscheck the names of the gold troop members whom died with the names of those involved in the Bin Laden raid, it all remains fishy.

But I still do not think this latest causality is related to any of that.

You are right to an extent. Remember how highly trained these guys are, how they are expected to know eachothers jobs in case of casualties... The truth is that they are so highly trained they are interchangeable. The sports analogy does not work, in basketball you cant change out an injured point guard with a 7 foot tall center. The Seals dont work that way, if the demo guy gets hit, the next in line needs to pick up his gear and blow the door. Rather than an operator being irreplaceable, you have the opposite due to cross training. You are.reading too deeply into this, there is no conspiracy there. When I get home I will dig up the book and post the explanation for why they did it this way. From what I remember it was.described as a "dream team" made up of the most senior and skilled operators. They assembled this group from the best of the lot.that was stateside since they needed to plan and run rehearsals on the mockup in order to convince the President and his advisors to go with the JSOC option instead of an airstrike. One SEAL who was a self.taught Arabic speaker was already deployed in Afghanistan and linked up with the team in country.

Here we go, just reread this: Since the raid team had to be Stateside for planning/rehearsals, they handpicked 28 of the most senior guys in the squadron rather than pull an existing troop. Basically, it was easier and.caused less suspicious movements and return to duty migrations. Doing it this way helped keep the op secret.from everyone rather than if they were to to activate a team that had just returned home from deployment.
I am confused as to why this makes you so suspicious.

reply to post by Merinda

First of all, there is no seal team six, it was disbanded in the 80s. The Naval Special Warfare Development Group, which is nicknamed seal team six is an extensive organisation. The Seal killed during the operation wasn't necessarily part of the squad which raided the compound.

I hear this said quite a bit on these threads lately. So perhaps you can answer me a question?

Why is it they call themselves Seal Team Six if no numbered team still exists under that designation or name? From Gulf I to Somalia to Afghanistan and 2003....I read the books, see the shows occasionally (Documentary - U.S. Navy assisted types) and everywhere I look...Seal Team Six is the stated and presented designation for counter-terrorism forces as the U.S. Navy has to offer.

I understand the entire Seal special warfare community is termed under larger umbrella terms and the entire community between branches is now, as I understand it, it's own command out of McDill AFB in Tampa. Si much has changed......However, I'm really just flat confused to hear people suggest "Seal Team Six" hasn't existed since the 80's. The guys serving in it and writing about the exploits absolutely call it that ....and right down to references made in Marcus Luttrell's Sole Survivor book quite recently?

Thanks in advance for clarification on names and terms...the media and U.S. Navy does make confusion on this.

Originally posted by InTheFlesh1980

I guess they don't even have to hide this stuff anymore. They just do it out in the open and stick with the official story.

edit on 10-12-2012 by InTheFlesh1980 because: (no reason given)

How do we know that this story is a psyop?

Because we know a Seal Team six person died.
That should not be public knowledge.
So for them to release that info,
then there is something behind it.

Maybe to keep people quiet, maybe to sell movies, who knows.

Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by InTheFlesh1980

I guess they don't even have to hide this stuff anymore. They just do it out in the open and stick with the official story.

edit on 10-12-2012 by InTheFlesh1980 because: (no reason given)

How do we know that this story is a psyop?

Because we know a Seal Team six person died.
That should not be public knowledge.
So for them to release that info,
then there is something behind it.

Maybe to keep people quiet, maybe to sell movies, who knows.

Release the name and job of the dead and people scream conspiracy. Dont release the name and job of the dead, people again scream of conspiracy. So how should it be done?