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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
You didn't cite a source for those figures and I never saw those figures before, so no, "we" don't know that.
Originally posted by swan001
As y'all know, we are still wondering why we can detect only 10% of the Universe's mass, and where the heck went the rest - a whopping 90%.
Scientists estimate that 90 to 99 percent of the total mass of the universe is missing matter
as others have said, the velocities are too low to be "relativistic".
Is there some punctuation missing in "our observations don't match with what we observed"? Because our observations do match what we observe, they are one in the same. Maybe you meant to say we don't know how to explain the observations, so we made some guesses.
Originally posted by Ghost375
It's an interesting thought for sure....but I think you're wrong.
I was told by a prominent physicist that perhaps, just perhaps, our theory of gravitation is wrong. So there's not really any missing mass, it's just our equations aren't accurate.
There's not really any evidence for dark matter. Basically, our observations don't match with what we observed, so someone said, "Well let's just add in this dark matter stuff our observations and call it a day."
Originally posted by ImaFungi
you posted a quote that said dark matter constitutes 84% of the matter in the universe..
What is it thought that dark matter is?
Those are certainly alternate explanations that have been considered, and perhaps still are by some, so I don't know why you said "and call it a day". Nobody is really sure about dark matter, so nobody has called it a day. But even supporters of MOND or similar ideas have to explain observations in the bullet cluster which seem to show the existence of dark matter even if MOND or similar is true:
Beside MOND, three other notable theories that try to explain the mystery of the rotational curves are Nonsymmetric Gravitational Theory proposed by John Moffat, Conformal gravity by Philip Mannheim, and Dynamic Newtonian Advanced gravity (DNAg)
The observed offsets of the lensing mass peaks from the peaks of the dominant visible mass component (the X-ray gas) directly demonstrate the presence, and dominance, of dark matter in this cluster. This proof of the dark matter existence holds true even under the assumption of modified Newtonian gravity (MOND); from the observed gravitational shear to optical light ratios and mass peak - X-ray gas offsets, the dark matter component in a MOND regime has a total mass which is at least equal to the baryonic mass of the system.
That source is 18 years old. I know it's hard to keep up, since cosmology is rapidly evolving with lots of exciting new data, but citing an 18 year old source isn't really even trying.
Originally posted by swan001
www.eclipse.net...
Scientists estimate that 90 to 99 percent of the total mass of the universe is missing matter
Some astrophysicists believe that some ultraluminous X-ray sources may be the accretion disks of intermediate-mass black holes.
Quasars are thought to be the accretion disks of supermassive black holes, since no other known object is powerful enough to produce such strong emissions. Quasars produce strong emission across the electromagnetic spectrum, including UV, X-rays and gamma-rays and are visible at tremendous distances due to their high luminosity. Between 5 and 25% of quasars are "radio loud," so called because of their powerful radio emission.
Originally posted by swan001
Therefore, the radius of an atom is more than 10,000 times the radius of its nucleus (1–10 fm),[2] and less than 1/1000 of the wavelength of visible light (400–700 nm).
en.wikipedia.org...
No, it's not air, but it's void.
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by swan001
Therefore, the radius of an atom is more than 10,000 times the radius of its nucleus (1–10 fm),[2] and less than 1/1000 of the wavelength of visible light (400–700 nm).
en.wikipedia.org...
No, it's not air, but it's void.
...and your point was?
Originally posted by swan001
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by swan001
Therefore, the radius of an atom is more than 10,000 times the radius of its nucleus (1–10 fm),[2] and less than 1/1000 of the wavelength of visible light (400–700 nm).
en.wikipedia.org...
No, it's not air, but it's void.
...and your point was?
Nothing, just sayin'. What was yours?edit on 14-11-2012 by swan001 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Ghost375
It's an interesting thought for sure....but I think you're wrong.
I was told by a prominent physicist that perhaps, just perhaps, our theory of gravitation is wrong. So there's not really any missing mass, it's just our equations aren't accurate.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ImaFungi
A void is completely absent of everything - even air. It's a vacuum.
Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by Ghost375
It's an interesting thought for sure....but I think you're wrong.
I was told by a prominent physicist that perhaps, just perhaps, our theory of gravitation is wrong. So there's not really any missing mass, it's just our equations aren't accurate.
It's possible, though a number of specific theories (MOND) have been disproven through recent astrophysical observations. There are some galaxy collisions which are very hard to explain without actual physical dark matter. As a result of observations like these, the case for dark matter is strong.
www.nasa.gov...
“All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light.” – Nikola Tesla, July 10, 1932
TESLA: Particles Exist which travel faster than light.
CERN: Nothing travels faster than light.
“Einstein’s relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king…” ~Nikola Tesla
Originally posted by KhufuKeplerTriangle
I don't think we've accounted for Dark Matter, Tachyons and Bradyons, particles that interact very lightly (but in a crucial way) with others.
Osiris, gravity, etc........ black hole!
Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by ImaFungi
Yeah, it seems this NASA paper is confusing dark matter (which is non-radiating matter in space, aka dark nebulas) and dark energy, which is from quantum activity even in total vacuum. Now I am confused: does this NASA paper referring to dark energy or hidden matter?
Because you are not aware and it has no meaning to you, it has no meaning to anyone else?
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by KhufuKeplerTriangle
I don't think we've accounted for Dark Matter, Tachyons and Bradyons, particles that interact very lightly (but in a crucial way) with others.
I'm not aware of any observation of a tachyon, so this seems to be a meaningless statement.
Osiris, gravity, etc........ black hole!
Yogurt, dill pickles, etc... Healthy diet!
I mean come on, this is word soup.
If observation determines importance, I hope no one reads your post above
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by KhufuKeplerTriangle
Well, you post a couple of links to theoretical papers, which are in abundance, and so what. What I told you that we don't observe tachyons. We still don't. So I was right, and your post doesn't matter.