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reply to post by Wonderer2012


Lol... they should look at the border of Greece too...

I will be thankful when Iran has technology for nuclear weapons. I will be thankful when the Middle-East region has no foreign masters and, therefore, will no longer have the fuel that drives extremism and fundamentalists. SLAYER's ignorance is extraordinary as history tells us that foreign intervention prevents a nation from developing and gives power to dictators as they can stand upon the foundation of fear caused by a foreign presence. It prevents nations from developing as their resources are no longer their own. They receive the crumbs from the feast that the West harvests and mines from their nations.

It is sickening that we as the United States are 5% of the world's population and yet, out of our lust for consumption, 40% of the world's resources flow into the United States. I'm pro-justice for Iraq, Iran, and the Middle-East, and justice would demand we recognize our oppressive stance in the world. We spend more money on our military imperial machine than the rest of the world combined spends on defense. I say its time we give back a bit of what we've stolen and learn about the unsustainable consumption that causes us to economically and militarily oppress and murder millions around the globe.

As much as I dislike our re-elected president, Barak Obama, I am hopeful that we finally have someone that may care more than we know for the oppressed Palestinians. As much as I despise Obama's drone fear campaign I am hopeful by his lack of support of Israel and their Mossad murderers. I am also rather certain that he too has some sense of justice and will not pursue military action with Iran.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by spy66

 

66...Iran has broken just about every rule of the NPT. The only thing left is to complete a Bomb and sell one.
Split Infinity

No they haven't. Iran has all right to enrich for peaceful purposes. What has taken place here is that the US have ignored to fallow up their duties to help Iran. The US have totally ignored Iran's peaceful enrichment by staying away for one sole purpose, and that is to use Iran enrichment as a cause to have concerns.

Iran have neglected to give away their most sensitive information about their military intentions to the IAEA. Something they are not entitled to do based on national security. The US does the same, The UK does the same, Germany does the same, France does the same.

Russia, Israel, France,China and the US are probably the nations with top secret deadly war programs they reserve the right to keep secret from everyone.

Israel have totally denied all IAEA inspections with full support from the US and France.

@SplitInfinity how do you know the Iranians support terrorist groups? How do you know the people there are on against the regime? How do you know the Iranian army is on the verge of mutiny?

Originally posted by YourWIFI

Originally posted by Wonderer2012

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Oh look....

RT spreading peace and harmony by digging up the past.

Being aware of the history is key to understanding what is happening right now.

Or do you want people to ignore history and believe Iran is the threat with their WMD plans?

WELL SAID!!

History cannot be ignored... only the ignorant ignore history.

The ignorant will also try to suppress and or distort history if they feel the need.

The year 2003 isn't that long ago and people already seem to be forgetting the Iraq lie, let's hope people don't give in to the Iran lie as well.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Western media reports "DIRIT" with a spin and RT reports the same dirt with a different spin. The truth lies in the middle somewhere.


All the USA is doing is following in the old USSR foot steps with all the stupid laws and government intrusion. THe patriot act and trying to infringe on peoples privacy under the cry of national security sounds like KGB bull crap.

except on thing that the west did long before russia was to put on a show for the people. In the past the rich in russia could just get away with anything without pandering to the people. Now they do pander to the people. A few corrupt buisness men were caught and put in prison. NOw russia follows in the foot steps of the usa. Instead of giving hard prison time to white collared crimes they just allow them to pay "fines" for their crimes.
That crap goes on here already.

Quite frankly who the # cares what russia is doing. instead of deflecting everything the USA does and pointing the finger back at other countries we should improve our country. Unless we want to be two years olds about it and just point the finger back. Only kids and women do that.

Originally posted by votan
Western media reports "DIRIT" with a spin and RT reports the same dirt with a different spin. The truth lies in the middle somewhere.

Yet...

They hardly ever [if at all] report Russian "DIRT"

reply to post by SLAYER69


That's because there's more freedom in our country and our press than in theirs.

But the idiots/ignoramuses who turn to RT and PressTV don't care to realize that.

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and like any other MSM they have an agenda to push but it seems and to be honest they are not as biased

Not biased!?

I wish I could on forever with such laughter.... This is News funded by the Russian and Iranian governments, and you think they aren't biased, or don't have an agenda, specifically targeting people like yourself.

Oh....how desperately people here need to educate themselves on how the world really works. What you despise in our media, Russians and Iranians despise even more in their own.

As slayer said, bias may exist here, but we have formal laws here protecting the freedom of the press; regardless of corporate controls, there's always a means to broadcast information.

But in Iran or Russia?? This is what they have done. They have launched news organizations that essentially promulgates conspiracy-style news popular in western alternative news. They don't do this to 'help spread truth', but to add to the dissension that this knowledge promotes. It's entirely propagandistic. And they will manipulate/exaggerate any information to help purvey that idea.

Wannabe, big headed atser's who think they know everything in fact knows nothing!

Former Mossad chief and propaganda-meister Efraim Halevy makes the case for the US, as a proxy of Israel, of course, to invade not only Iran, but also Syria and Saudi Arabia, once again under the guise of "bringing democracy" to the Middle East.

The Israeli intelligence agency whose motto is "By way of deception, thou shalt do war," has crafted a superb piece of strategic propaganda aimed at US policymakers.

Mossad: US Must Invade Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran

Originally posted by Atzil321
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Speaking at a gabfest sponsored by The Atlantic, Mr. Otaiba was asked if he wanted the U.S. to stop the Iranian bomb program by force? He answered: "Absolutely, absolutely. I think we are at risk of an Iranian nuclear program far more than you are at risk. At 7,000 miles away, and with two oceans bordering you, an Iranian nuclear threat does not threaten the continental United States. It may threaten your assets in the region, it will threaten the peace process, it will threaten balance of power, it will threaten everything else, but it will not threaten you."

There is no evidence to support claims of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Even the CIA
and Mossad have said Iran likely gave up any nuclear ambition in 2003. 16 other intelligence organizations around the world have also come to the same conclusion.

There is plenty of evidence Mr Otaiba is talking s**t....

Even if Iran is in the process of trying to obtain WMDs! It's obvious they are doing this to deter western aggression and though I don't agree with MAD I do think if the west were not in the business of policing
and bullying those nations with access to certain commodities then this would not be an issue!
If humanity is ever to attain peace it wont be at the end of a gun or a threat but at the end of an arm offering the hand of friendship and equality, bringing the world into a new era of civility and humanity! God bless the effort to achieve this and bless all those that sacrifice for it!

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This video says nothing about saudi arabia or syria.

reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

It's obvious they are doing this to deter western aggression

Your logic doesn't work for many reasons. But the most glaring is the fact that if Iran were seeking WMD's for 'defensive' purposes, they wouldn't be provoking opposition by threatening Israel every single week!

Your idiotic logic also ignores the sequence of events: Iran could in fact end-it-all by ending their program; thus, no worry about being 'invaded'. Thus, it is their nuclear program which elicits the threat of a military invasion, not the possibility of a military invasion that creates the Iranian need to develop a bomb.

Most of all, but sadly, inveterately ignored by most, Iran's regime is ideologically fanatical. They would not simply keep a bomb to bully the US or other major superpowers; they could be the first to actually launch a nuke against another country in a time of peace. And that country - Israel - is being repeatedly threatened with destruction by Iranian politicians.

BOOM!

She laid a smack down!

You don`t see reporting like that very often these days. She did not hold anything back. RT has some very good reporters and most of them are young and full of fire. it seems that the MSM does not give young journalist the chance to shine like they used to.

This is a good example of what these young journalist can do when the they let loose to do there thing.

Yet, as good of a report as this was, I am sure there will be a lot of Americans who will see this report and say something to the effect of, `If we have them surrounded then let`s just bomb them and get the oil.`
I know that is sad but unless my nation of birth has changed since I left almost six years ago, I would expect nothing less from my fellow Americans than to beg for war.

Although, I should try to have a little faith in my fellow Americans. People have been talking for the past several years that so many people are `waking up` states side and more people `know what`s up.` I really hope so because all of us living outside of American are watching things very closely and the US Federal gov is pushing the limits of being a superpower(empire) in recent years.

I am sure that if the US backs off of Iran just a little, the situation would be a lot easier for both sides to deal with. Iran would trade with the states happily and would even make a big effort to form friendly ties if the US stopped trying to destroy them. Vietnam is a good example of what can be done when you stop trying to kill each other. Vietnam is now a strong trading partner with the US and relations could never be better. All the US had to do was accept that Vietnam is socialist. They finally did that and look at how much better the situation has become. It is the same with Iran. If the US would accept that Iran is a independent Islamic Republic which wants to deal with the world on a more even playing field things could be much more brighter.

The situation has gotten so bad that Japan, America`s number buddy in East Asia, has refused to go along with America on a ban on oil imports from Iran. When Japan will not do what America want then you know who is wrong between the US and Iran.

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When Japan will not do what America want then you know who is wrong between the US and Iran.

yeah, because morality - and not self interest - dictates international relations.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Iran hasn't actually done anything then has it?

It has broken the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that it signed in order to be able to purchase Nuclear Tech and Nuclear Reactors. It has also kicked out of the country the Nuclear Inspectors which allows enforcement of the treaty by sanctions and possible military action.

Iran is also a benefactor to many Terrorist Groups as well as supplying Weapons and IUD's to Iraqi Shiite Religious Groups in Iran and Afghanistan.

Iran has also threatened Nuclear Blackmail and threatened to Close the Strait of Hormuz. 94% of all Iranians wish for Good Relations with the U.S. 96% desire a free Democratic Iran and Iran has a population that is 70% UNDER THE AGE OF 30 YEARS OLD! They are Hostages in their own Country. Split Infinity

I just wonder why they would not be trying to gain WMDs when the west lied to start a war with Iraq claiming they were building WMDs but none were found and after this was shown president Bush joked about it! I believe that Iranian officials realize the only way to stop an invasion of Iran is through the development of Nuclear deterrents before the west frees up enough resources to invade! I am not defending Iran and believe that all nuclear weapons are a threat to humanity! I also believe the best way to convince someone of something is to lead by example! This means we all should give up on nuclear power of any kind! Though I realize this will never happen! I realize no matter what Iran does they will be invaded by the west! I don't know if this will escalate into
incidents of tacticle nuclear strikes on Iranian sites or the possibility that Iran could already be equipped with WMDs who would of coarse attack Israel with these weapons! Even if they don't have the bomb already there is a possibility that they have the ability to make a dirty bomb to desimate the population of Israel! I believe the only way to not kill many people is not to play the game of mutually assured destruction because the only winner in the game of war are those that profit from it like the military industrial complex! Anyway IMHO there are more severe problems than a nuclear armed Iran like the missplaced powers that continue to kill more then all war! until this is resolved the threats we read about in the MSM are at the bottom of my list! Financial Armageddon is coming and will cause our world to fall off a cliff! I hope i'm wrong about this and other issues I will not mention here but the fact is this is coming and is just a matter of when! God Bless......

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

 

It's obvious they are doing this to deter western aggression

Your logic doesn't work for many reasons. But the most glaring is the fact that if Iran were seeking WMD's for 'defensive' purposes, they wouldn't be provoking opposition by threatening Israel every single week!

Your idiotic logic also ignores the sequence of events: Iran could in fact end-it-all by ending their program; thus, no worry about being 'invaded'. Thus, it is their nuclear program which elicits the threat of a military invasion, not the possibility of a military invasion that creates the Iranian need to develop a bomb.

Most of all, but sadly, inveterately ignored by most, Iran's regime is ideologically fanatical. They would not simply keep a bomb to bully the US or other major superpowers; they could be the first to actually launch a nuke against another country in a time of peace. And that country - Israel - is being repeatedly threatened with destruction by Iranian politicians.

edit on 12-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

Now here is someone with some sense! Israel has NEVER threatened Iran and all you ever hear is what Iran is going to have, do, commit...


/end sarcasm.

reply to post by NightFlight


Iran threatens Israel with existential destruction.

Israel threatens to attack Irans nuclear facilities.

These are two very different types of threat. The first is completely immoral, while the latter is moral, because it is made necessary.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

 

It's obvious they are doing this to deter western aggression

Your logic doesn't work for many reasons. But the most glaring is the fact that if Iran were seeking WMD's for 'defensive' purposes, they wouldn't be provoking opposition by threatening Israel every single week!

Your idiotic logic also ignores the sequence of events: Iran could in fact end-it-all by ending their program; thus, no worry about being 'invaded'. Thus, it is their nuclear program which elicits the threat of a military invasion, not the possibility of a military invasion that creates the Iranian need to develop a bomb.

Most of all, but sadly, inveterately ignored by most, Iran's regime is ideologically fanatical. They would not simply keep a bomb to bully the US or other major superpowers; they could be the first to actually launch a nuke against another country in a time of peace. And that country - Israel - is being repeatedly threatened with destruction by Iranian politicians.

edit on 12-11-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

You seriously believe if they had no weapons program the west would'nt invade?
Just like Iraq even if they were to cease there production of arms we would still claim they were and invade none the less! as for their intention to launch a strike at a time of peace It's possible but I seriously doubt it because they would be utterly decimated by the massive nuclear powers in the region! The truth is you are making many assumptions and none of us knows what's really going to happen! I do not agree that Iran said they were going to wipe Israel off the map! It is a blatent lie.
This is what mahmoud ahmadinejad said;
www.fair.org...
You obviously believe the lies being spewed by the MSM to promote an agenda, so i will not continue any more dialogue with such ignorant individuals who feel they have to stoop to name calling to get their points accross!
Goodluck to you and your agenda.

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by NightFlight

 

Iran threatens Israel with existential destruction.

Israel threatens to attack Irans nuclear facilities.

These are two very different types of threat. The first is completely immoral, while the latter is moral, because it is made necessary.

So now it boils down to who threatened whom first? Maybe they are in this together, for monetary reasons, of course.