Pine Gap-Link to Krugersdorp facility in South Africa

I have been trying to find more info on this local facility which apparently employs 1200 people.All i find in my Google searches, is the same one line: "The Pine gap facility is linked to a similar one in Krugersdorp,SA" (and the Amundsen base at the pole) I would love to find out more,has anyone found more detailed references to the SA facility? Any newer info regarding other possibly linked local bases/facilities would be well appreciated too.Thanks for reading and a good day to all.

Is Pine Gap the huge hole in the ground antenna that the US uses for long wave radio to its atomic subs? or is that Alice Springs?
Also is that not the place the astronaught was orbiting over when his ship/capsule was surrounded by "fireflys" early in the space program ?

reply to post by stirling

Thanks for your reply,yes Pine Gap is outside Alice Springs.John Glenn saw the "fireflies" over Canton island in the Pacific,during the first US orbital spaceflight,aboard FriendShip 7.Scott Carpenter saw them in 1962 also from Aurora 7,the fireflies were thought to be flakes of frost condensation.

I would get onto facebook if I were you. There aint much you'll find out about it on the internet compared to actually driving there.

I did the same to the military bunkers on the bluff in Durban, drove right up to the gate and you could see the doors in the background. It was one of my first threads if youre interested in taking a look.

Go there, post some pics, otherwise your guess is as good as mine.


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James Bamford covers Pine Gap in one of his NSA books. I don't recall which one of the three, but it would be either the "Puzzle Palace" or "Body of Secrets." I haven't found any website linking Pine Gap to that South African town other than this piece of moronic crap:
www.darkgovernment.com...

Pine Gap has a strategic location due to being down under. This was handy in the days of moon bounce ELINT and comms (Moon bounce communications is also called EME for Earth Moon Earth). I know the CIA/NSA set up an dish in Palo Alto CA for moon bounce ELINT, in this case detection of Soviet radar. I don't recall the ELINT target for Pine Gap.

Pine Gap is not quite as useful today in the era of satellite comms, satellite SIGINT/ELINT, and fiber optic communications.

I thought SA had some pretty indsidious stuff going on during the 60's with some kind of "mad scientist" working with the Israelis and even having a nuclear weapons program supossedly setting off 2 in the south atlantic. But since apartheid SA has revertered into a 3rd world country so I didn't think there was much clandestine stuff going on over there...

reply to post by Swing80s

That sounds like the type of thing Dr. Wouter Basson would've gotten up to,he Is a colorful character:-) though he would have been too young in the 60's,he must have been in his late teens/ early 20's then,and studying cardiology,most likely.A Fascinating man,ive heard some stories from my husband re his wheelings and dealings that made me ROFL,bt i dont know if its true,and its not the type of thing i would mention anyway,even if i was certain.Yeah sadly my country has declined into a third world country in certain areas,like the state school curriculum,state hospitals,the army,the police,the roads..but in the private sector hospitals offer top class treatment+care,and we make the sacrifices we need to,to send our son to a private school,as there's an even More dumb-down curriculum being put in place next year,so he may as well not have attended school.IDK,there are some places,like in Sinoville,Pretoria,in a residential neighbourhood,right around the corner where we lived,that made me curious.That was 9yrs ago.An unmarked building,lots of sat-dishes.I once asked a man i saw outside the building:"Mind if i ask,but what kind of work do they do here,in this building? He gave me a tight smile,and said "Just technical stuff" and then walked off.I met a man,year before that,also,who gave me a ride home from a suburb of Johannesburg,to Pretoria,a stranger kind enough to help me out when my transport fell through.He asked if i would mind to wait in the reception area of his workplace,as he had to get/do something quick.This tiny waitingroom had a security guard behind bulletproof glass,and cameras watching the 4 or 5 chairs.Obviously extremely high security,there was a very heavylooking/thick metal door he entered through to the inner areas,with a black tinted glass window in it.This was somewhere in the Pretoria area,10/11 years ago.When i asked him what type of work he did,he said he can't talk about it,bt the term "spook" comes close.A kind man.Anyway i think SA would be the perfect country for clandestine activities of Any agency-there's a technological infrastructure,enough military/secret service personnel left from the time when SA was a force to be reckoned with in those departments-and a population that is clueless about conspiracies of any kind,any issues of the type discussed on this site.So i think there could well be activities of highly classified nature..the ANC guv is a pushover,throw enough money at the relevant person whose co-op you need,and there you go.Bribery gets you everywhere,in Africa.Its a Creed.

reply to post by Monkeygod333

Thank you,i should ask my husband to ask his old army buddies,if he will.Im not on FB myself.A visit to Krugersdorp is unfortunately not in the cards in the forseeable future.Interesting about the Bluff,i was'nt aware of that.I actualy lived there,for a few months,bt that was 18 years ago,and i was'nt much interested in such things then,too busy wth work+general financial problems.Pity.

reply to post by gariac

Yeah,thats the article that led me to inquire about this :-) tho not on that site,its duplicated SO many times,on so many sites.I actualy just happened upon it,while looking for something else,but it intrigues me quite a bit,because my country's government used to be up to a lot of stuff in the past..well in regard to clandestine activities,warfare,espionage,a nuclear program,etc.Makes one wonder if the current Mickey Mouse guvment topdogs even knows half of what went on.Though i must not be too harsh,i am very proud to be South African,and our Clowns are not much more ridiculous or contemptible than that of any other country,in the big scheme of things,and perhaps a lot Less dangerous and psychotic.

Well, it's been mentioned before, but as the OP points out, "Krugersdorp" is only mentioned in passing, and I wonder about the veracity of such reports.

Waterkloof air base is another name often heard in SA conspiracy circles, and it's not only regarded as a site of CIA activity, but also of chemtrails aimed at weather control, and thus of rain and food control.

Julius Malema famously took a downward spiral when he called for the invasion of Botswana, because that stable country apparently planned to build a base for "the Imperialists" (in Malema's parlance that probably means fore-mostly the USA).
www.timeslive.co.za...

Apartheid-era SA certainly had nuclear weapons, and while it gained a cultural pariah status, it was also seen politically as a major ally to First World powers during the Cold War.

Today SA is still involved in the arms business, and despite its public overtures to China and Marxist and Islamic dictatorships, its biggest arms trading partner is the US.
Of course only a few fat cats are benefiting, just as with our corrupt R60 Billion arm's deal.

Rumor has it that Zimbabwe's advanced secret police has been active in SA for a couple of years now.
They've been assassinating critics of the Zanu-PF for a while in SA, and they may even have instigated xenophobic violence.

At first under Mbeki the ANC was happy to turn a blind eye.
But now it seems Zanu-PF may be calling the shots.

It appears that behind the scenes the ANC and Zanu-PF are in a full-scale cat-fight:

Zanu PF, ANC at war

By Richard Chidza, Staff Writer

President Robert Mugabe’s Zanu PF and some secret service agents have been fingered by the African National Congress (ANC) in a sinister plot to derail that country’s economy by fanning mines unrest.

The Daily News reported on Monday that the ruling party (Zanu PF) is on a $100 million mission to weaken perceived opponents through a raft of dirty strategies including sting operations.

The latest allegations emerged following an ANC national executive committee (NEC) meeting in Midrand, Gauteng at the weekend where tougher action was called against the mayhem, which has resulted in the death of nearly 50 people, including two policemen.

This also comes amid strong suspicions that Zanu PF is funding the activities of expelled former ANC Youth League president Julius Malema, accused of sowing seeds of discontent among SA’s poor — in a futile bid to derail Zuma’s re-election and his mediation efforts to the Zimbabwean crisis.

An ANC, NEC member, who spoke to the Daily News on condition of anonymity yesterday, said tension was once again rising between his party and Zanu PF.

“Our information is that Zanu PF continues to bite the hand that feeds it. We learnt at the meeting that some rogue state agents are deeply involved in the unrest that is afflicting our mines.

cape-report.blogspot.com...

reply to post by halfoldman

Thank you,very interesting.Julius Malema..you know,i sometimes think,with all that fire and passion,he is certainly a balls-to-the- wall kind of guy,how i wish he would use all that energy of his, and support from his loyal followers,to challenge the top echelons of the ANC to improve the living standards of the average black citizens,i wouldnt even mention whites,as the man dont seem overly fond of us paler aspects :-D.Their is a major lot of good such a person,who dont mind embarassing himself,could do,if his cause is for the common man.My husband is working in the goldmining industry,btw,and well,Malema Is spot-on,making waves re the disparity between wages+ living standards of management as opposed to the Wealth Creators-the workers,the miners and lower level personnel.Obscene.His motives are under suspicion though,with him,i dont think good old altruism is ever the driving force.Pity. The hubby thinks,btw, Silvermine also may have been/ is a likely spot for clandestine activities,if such SA-NSA/CIA alliances survived after the Cold war and our Border War -he entered the classified areas there,in the 80's,more than once.He was navy,and his unit(a marine-style outfit)used to train there.He remembers it as looking extremely "futuristic" for that time.Apparently he got to see it when escorting people/packages into the classified areas.He was mostly in the active battle zones,though,SWA and Angola.I wish you a relaxing Sunday,and a good week ahead.

This is the first time I've heard of any of these conspiracies, Julius and Zimbabwe, including the secret facility in Krugersdorp.


I highly doubt you'll find anything on the web and your best option, as a member mentioned above, is to actually go out there.

If there were any secret facilities left behind after Apartheid I'm certain they would have all gone to hell by now in the ANCs hands. They don't have a particularly good track record with keeping things in working condition.

You know. . . I'm actually surprised every time I come across another South African on this forum. There seems to be a large amount of "SAfers" here and ex-pats.

Think the curiosity probably springs from the covers ups and so forth of the Apartheid years. Well thats my opinion anyway.

Doubt you will find much about the nuclear project, but If there is also an ionospheric heater or the receiving antennae portion of the operation located there those are declassified.

en.wikipedia.org...

Check out the AF .mil disinfo site!

Interesting article on SA's nuclear tests during the Cold War, including the flash over the ocean widely believed to have been a nuclear test in 1979:

www.wisconsinproject.org...

reply to post by Raxoxane

Cool post!

Malema is making waves about disparities, but so did Cyril Ramaphosa not so long ago.

Ramaphosa went from former union leader to mining magnate, and I doubt there was ever an inch of real concern or morality, just like Malema.

The country is divided as to whether business tycoon Cyril Ramaphosa committed the ultimate betrayal of the workers on whose shoulders he rose to prominence, or whether his involvement in drawing state and police intervention at the Lonmin mine was warranted. But whatever the outcome, Ramaphosa’s role in the Marikana massacre has transported him from a messiah waiting to be elevated to high political office to the league of fallen heroes, writes Ranjeni Munusamy.

www.iol.co.za...

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I don't know about that flash being widely believed to be a nuclear test. More like it was argued it could be a nuclear test. The US government uses sniffer planes that can apparently pick up enough radiation to determine if a test took place. In the case of Korea, the yield was so poor that it was argued if they actually had a nuke, but supposedly it was verified with the sniffer.

The GPS constellation has an additional function of detecting nuclear detonations. This wasn't in place during the SA test.

GPS satellites carry a set of nuclear detonation detectors consisting of an optical sensor (Y-sensor), an X-ray sensor, a dosimeter, and an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) sensor (W-sensor), that form a major portion of the United States Nuclear Detonation Detection System.[67][68

From the wiki:
en.wikipedia.org...