Religious interference in the US Affairs of State by Israeli involved interests

Serious questions about how an anti-Islam movie shot by an Israeli got into others hands, and was remade with Arabic translation and then appeared on YouTube.

Especially since the movie had one viewing in Hollywood, and just how did it become dubbed in Arabic.

This comes upon the difficult times of US Pres. Obama acting in defiance of Israel's Netanyahu, and this appears to be very intentional coming on the coat tails of the 911 anniversary in everyone's minds. Netanyahu has been very devisive in attempts to have the US blow up Iran, and this appears yet one more device.

What are foreign nationals in the US doing using provacative methods to interfere with US Affairs of State, and this acting in direct interference of a US President in ways that support a foreign power with illegal nuclear weapons.

Such methods have killed a US Ambassador in Libya and others, and more protests may turn violent. It appears that measures should be persued to go after the religious element that appeared to have a dirty film trick in the film can that suddenly came to light on Youtube to support the methods of Israel and Netanyahu.

This isn't the first time that Hollywood's political games have caused problems as the same games happened with the Red Scare methods to stop Eisenhouer's efforts for Peace with the Soviets and Khruschev.

It appears we have another 911 styled event and the issue of who is behind it appears to be associated with Netanyahu and Israel's interests trying to run over US Affairs of State.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Sam Bacile, Anti-Islam Filmmaker, In Hiding After Protests

LOS ANGELES (AP) — An Israeli filmmaker based in California went into hiding after a YouTube trailer of his movie attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by ultra-conservative Muslims on U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff were killed.

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Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

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The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

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Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Wednesday the film "has nothing to do whatsoever with Israel." Still, he said Israel will "have to be vigilant."

Source.

It appears all manner of chicanery went into the production of essentially a hate film that got people killed.

It appears everyone needs to look who translated it into Arabic and who posted it on Youtube.

www.cnn.com...

Staff and crew of film that ridiculed Muslims say they were 'grossly misled'

"We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose," continued the statement, which was sent to CNN by a member of the production staff who asked not to be identified for security reasons. "We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."

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Consultant Steve Klein told CNN he worked with Bacile on the movie and said the filmmaker had gone into hiding.

"He's very depressed, and he's upset," Klein said Wednesday. "I talked to him this morning, and he said that he was very concerned for what happened to the ambassador."

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The movie, which was posted in July on YouTube, got more notice after Egyptian television recently aired segments and anti-Islam activists, including Egyptian-born Coptic Christian Morris Sadek, promoted it online.

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose Quran-burning last year sparked deadly riots in Afghanistan, said he had been contacted to help distribute the film.

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"The film is offensive to the prophet and immoral," said Egyptian Prime Minister Hashem Kandil. "We call on the great people of Egypt to exercise restraint when expressing their anger."

Muslim sensitivities around Prophet Mohammed

The prime minister called on the United States to take legal action against the makers of the film, though it was not clear that it violates any U.S. law.

It has the classicval defintion for a hate speech crime with deaths involved.

It's rather surprising you're not condemning Islam and blood-thirsty Muslims who react to freedom of speech with murder.

Those are fake Israeli. They are the seed of the devil, not of God. They are the Gentiles, Jesus commanded not to go to - preach to the lost sheep of Israel

The New Covenant states the Law written in the hearts and minds of the People of Israel.

Not even a beep of the law in their hearts and minds of those who say they are Israelis... They love wars, they love money, they love taking advantage the misery of others, they love control!

reply to post by ahnggk


Um, the gospel was given to the Gentiles in Acts 9. That was almost 2,000 years ago. The OT prophets also said the Messiah's mission would include "the nations".

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
It's rather surprising you're not condemning Islam and blood-thirsty Muslims who react to freedom of speech with murder.

Many know to look deeper than the knee jerk reaction level for what is happening. There exists no freedom of speech in Israel and many other middle eastern countries. Even the US has no freedom of speech on matters that aggrivate issues of war.

The problem is you have blinders on and didn't see all the Israeli interests involved in the film from the producer/writer to the money to make the film. Free speech isn't what appears to be hate speech that is illegal when it seeds killing and appears an effort to start a middle east war.

You also have blinders on about how Israel got hydrogen thyratron nuclear triggers from a Hollywood producer to make nuclear weapons. Also, how Ed Teller went to Israel a huge number of times to help them learn the Bomb technology. And even the Hollywood efforts in the Red Scare games that ended peace issues with Eisenhouer and Khruschev. This isn't the first time this type thing has happened.

Take your little bible down to Israel and preach on the street corner and see how long your freedom of speech lasts there. Most of the world doesn't find any value in your Jesus games to make him god. All the games of religion are about is control and power, and money, which caues endless wars.

If Israelis want war, then find the ones that made the movie and ship them to Libya or Egypt. And send the movie along with them.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Israel didn't have anything to do with the film. An American Jew made the film to attack Islam and Muhammad. It's a problem with Islam when it's followers react with violence and murder when criticized. Would Christians be offered a "free pass" for murder if tomorrow we collectively decided to riot and murder people when a film came out that was critical of Jesus or Christianity?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Israel didn't have anything to do with the film. An American Jew made the film to attack Islam and Muhammad. It's a problem with Islam when it's followers react with violence and murder when criticized. Would Christians be offered a "free pass" for murder if tomorrow we collectively decided to riot and murder people when a film came out that was critical of Jesus or Christianity?

Like most of your shallow knowledge, you don't know if Israel had anything to do with it. The news claimed an Israeli made the film.

Chasing down the issues is still in progress:

www.miamiherald.com...

Whether he promoted the video or not, U.S. authorities were so concerned about Jones that Gen Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff, asked him not to post the controversial 14-minute video in fear it could further inflame tensions in Libya or Egypt.
Jones said he told Dempsey that he would “definitely consider it,” but later told reporters he would ignore the request during a lengthy interview in the building that once housed his congregation.

www.veteranstoday.com...

Our investigation into Jones past showed him to be a trained CIA asset with direct ties to the Mossad. He served in Germany for years as an organizer for the CIA under the highly secret “Gladio” program until expelled by the German government. You can be a CIA agent, even a terrorist bomber but in Germany, if you buy a mail order PhD, it is a crime. “Dr.” Terry Jones would have been better off had he called himself “Agent” Terry Jones.

VT offers its heartfelt condolences to the family of Ambassador Stevens and the families of the other Americans lost in Libya.

www.kawther.info...

The media of the State of Israel stated that filmmaker “Bacile” went into hiding on Tuesday after his movie attacking Islam’s Prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by Muslims on US diplomatic missions in Egypt and in Libya, where the US Ambassador Chris Stevens became one of four Americans killed in the attack.

What the speaker did not state for foreign audiences was that Israeli zionist intelligence had protected the filmmaker since the beginning and that after having accomplished his mission. He is probably now back in his Israel enjoying full protection in Tel Aviv or Herzliya or somewhere else under a pseudonym.

www.breitbart.com...

The shoe fits that an Israeli made the film.

Why are you posting about Terry Jones? He wasn't the filmmaker. Secondly, lets assume the filmmaker was the president of Israel, how would that address the reaction of the Muslim murderers? The bottom line is these thugs retaliated to a fictional movie with riots and murder. Will that fact be addressed or will you continue to ignore it? Why does the source of the film excuse murder?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Why are you posting about Terry Jones? He wasn't the filmmaker. Secondly, lets assume the filmmaker was the president of Israel, how would that address the reaction of the Muslim murderers? The bottom line is these thugs retaliated to a fictional movie with riots and murder. Will that fact be addressed or will you continue to ignore it? Why does the source of the film excuse murder?

It appears you are clueless about more than religion. In the incitement of riots or the incitement of brawls in bars one always looks at what started it. Terry Jones was right in the middle of Afghanistan riot incitement and it appears he is intent on hosting this film and even have Joint Chiefs calling him on the phone to stop inciting and getting soldiers killed.

In riots many bad things happen and often times it is difficult, at best, to see who did what. Nobody condones any senseless things that happen in riots, but one certainly looks to see who started them and the motives for why.

In looking for the incitement for these riots one finds some of the Christians, aka Terry Jones, and some of their Isreali pals and what appears to be mossad associations. imho

While you would like to start a war and kill all the Muslems, that would consume all the Christians in the process. Then, lets send you to Libya to pled you case for Israel or use your religion's alledged magic, and you become the first to die.

You shoot yourself in the foot, as orthodox Jewish hate Jesus, so even if you helped the Israelis kill off the Muslems, they will next come for you, aka Christians, because you don't support their religion, which is the Jewish themselves as god.

And the looking at religious extremism for the incitement of riots on religions begins:

stateofthenation2012.com...

Hidden Agenda Behind The Libya Conflagration

Which brings us to the little matter facing the USA because of a certain film that was produced within its borders. Let’s see, we have one dead ambassador and 3 other dead US personnel, two destroyed embassies and lots of explaining to do to the world community.

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Otherwise this nation – the USA – risks being addressed by a power much greater that the might of Islam. When an Israeli free-speecher like Netanyahu throws his weight around so cavalierly and without a shred of consideration for the recipient of his offensive threats, the entire body politic of the world is debased. Especially when so few stand up to confront his shocking and egregious displays and threats of unjustifiable aggression.

maxblumenthal.com...

Meet The Right-Wing Extremist Behind Anti-Muslim Film That Sparked Deadly Riots

Klein is also closely affiliated with the Christian right in California, organizing resentment against all the usual targets — Muslims, homosexuals, feminists, and even Mormons. He is a board member and founder of a group called Courageous Christians United, which promotes anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic and anti-Muslim literature (including the work of Robert Spencer) on its website. In 2002, Klein ran for the California Insurance Commissioner under the American Independent Party, an extremist fringe party linked to the militia movement, garnering a piddling 2 percent of the vote.

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Klein appears to be allied with the National American Coptic Assembly, a radical Islamophobic group headed by Morris Sadik. Sadik claims to have discovered the film and began promoting it online. Once it went viral, the trailer was translated into Arabic, sparking outrage in the Middle East, and ultimately, to the deadly attacks carried out by Muslim extremists today.

Klein claims credit for inspiring “Sam Bacile” to produce “The Innocence of Muslims,” promising him he would be “the next Theo Van Gogh,” referring to the Dutch columnist who was murdered by a Muslim extremist. Of the attacks in Libya, Klein said, “We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen.”

www.independent.co.uk...

The provocateurs know politics and religion don't mix
It only takes a couple of loonies a few seconds to kick off a miniature war in the Muslim world

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There’s the rub, of course. Some things are off limits, and rightly so. Others have no limits at all. Several radio presenters asked me yesterday if the unrest in Cairo and Benghazi may have been timed to “coincide with 9/11”. It simply never occurred to them to ask if the video-clip provocateurs had chosen their date-for-release to coincide with 9/11.

And the search for the incitement of some religious loonies that knew this would happen in the middle east, whose hate speech inspired death for Americans.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Terry Jones was not the film maker. For two, Terry Jones answers for Terry Jones. I don't, neither does any other Christian. Lastly, I'm rather concerned that Muslims would result to extreme violence and murder in the name of Muhammad and Islam. I don't care about 'shooting myself in the foot'. If Orthodox Jews are against Christians then I should bless them as Christ said to bless one's enemies. We send missionaries into Muslim nations to bless them, build schools, offer food and free medical care even though they murder us.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Terry Jones was not the film maker. For two, Terry Jones answers for Terry Jones. I don't, neither does any other Christian. Lastly, I'm rather concerned that Muslims would result to extreme violence and murder in the name of Muhammad and Islam. I don't care about 'shooting myself in the foot'. If Orthodox Jews are against Christians then I should bless them as Christ said to bless one's enemies. We send missionaries into Muslim nations to bless them, build schools, offer food and free medical care even though they murder us.

Get over your self rightous non-sense. If you really intended to do good, admit Jesus is peace maker and just a prophet.

Else, when you play the like games of the orthodox Jewish via their being god, via your games of playing the body of Christ, this is the same theme for Christians playing god. Christians just added one more element of spin to do the same thing the Jewish orthodox do, and you wonder why Islam speaks to each as Infidels.

The only thing you do with missionaries into Islamic world is show that you are wanting to rule over them with the games of religion. They won't ever accept this and you provoke more resistance against the faked up issues of religion.

Truely, you don't care about 'shooting myself in the foot', nor anyone else in the process because your intentions are to promote wars based upon religion's hyped up nonsense.

When anyone sends the Islamic world truth, then peace will be the outcome. To promote religious nonsense and untruth creates problems and both Christians and Jewish cause immense problems with hyped up religion claims of utter nonsense for self promotion over others.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


What is the topic of this thread? Is it me now? Christians? Orthodox Jews? Israeli government? Mossad? The CIA? Rev. Terry Jones? The American-Israeli filmmaker?

Focus man. Someday get to the actual problem of Muslims resorting to violence and murdering in the name of Muhammad over a fictional movie. That's the big problem here, not what some person chooses to say with their constitutionally granted right of freedom of speech.

You never saw Christians rioting and murdering diplomats over The Da Vinci Code.

It appears the movie issue has spread all around the Islamic world and even the Israel Islamics are upset:

washington.cbslocal.com...

Israeli Arab Official Warns Of ‘Armageddon’ Over Anti-Islam Film

TEL AVIV, Israel (CBSDC/AP) – Israeli Arabs protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv Thursday following the attacks on U.S. compounds in Libya, Egypt and Yemen.

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Obama told Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi “he rejects efforts to denigrate Islam, but underscored that there is never any justification for violence against innocents and acts that endanger American personnel and facilities,” the White House said.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called the “Innocence of Muslims” movie disgusting and reprehensible.

And the Joint Chiefs are making calls to those involved in the incitement of hate, plus the FEDS are now on the job looking for the culprits that appeared to intend a 911 replay.

washington.cbslocal.com...

US Identifies Anti-Muslim Filmmaker Blamed for Attacks

The official said authorities had concluded that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was behind “Innocence of Muslims,” a film that denigrated Islam and the prophet Muhammad and sparked protests earlier this week in Egypt, Libya and most recently in Yemen. It was not immediately clear whether Nakoula was the target of a criminal investigation or part of the broader investigation into the deaths of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Libya during a terrorist attack.

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The man identifying himself as Bacile told the AP he was an Israeli-born, 56-year-old Jewish writer and director. But a Christian activist involved in the film project, Steve Klein, told the AP on Wednesday that Bacile was a pseudonym and that the man was Christian. Klein had told the AP on Tuesday that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew who was concerned for family members who live in Egypt.

Besides seducting a bunch of actors into getting involved in a hate movie, the Feds need to nail this guy again.

Guantanamo needs a new resident. imho

www.usatoday.com...

U.S. identifies anti-Muslim filmmaker

The man identifying himself as Bacile told the AP he was an Israeli-born, 56-year-old Jewish writer and director. But a Christian activist involved in the film project, Steve Klein, told the AP on Wednesday that Bacile was a pseudonym and that the man was Christian. Klein had told the AP on Tuesday that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew who was concerned for family members who live in Egypt.

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An official of the Coptic Orthodox Church in Los Angeles said in a statement Thursday that the church's adherents had no involvement in the "inflammatory movie about the prophet of Islam." An official identified as Bishop Serapion of the Coptic Orthodox of Los Angeles, said that "the producers of this movie should be responsible for their actions. The name of our blessed parishioners should not be associated with the efforts of individuals who have ulterior motives."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.

Maybe two new Gitmo residents:

www.politico.com...

DOD: Gen. Martin Dempsey opted to phone Florida pastor

The military’s top uniformed leader decided on his own to phone an extremist Florida pastor linked to an inflammatory anti-Islamic online video, the Pentagon said Thursday – no one else asked him to do so.

Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world, a spokesman said.

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When asked at a press briefing about whose decision it was to call Jones, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little added: “Gen. Dempsey was willing to call pastor Jones. The kinds of words and actions that pastor Jones has spread have incited violence and have led to deaths, including in Afghanistan and including American service members. I think that’s why he called. It was a brief conversation and pastor Jones was non-committal.”

And the Youtube history:

rt.com...

In a rare public commentary, YouTube said in a statement that maintaining an environment in which all opinions can be expressed, and which everyone can enjoy, "can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere. This video – which is widely available on the web – is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries. Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in yesterday's attack in Libya."
The video was posted in early July by a user calling himself Sam Bacile. It received only a handful of views for two months, when suddenly it was dubbed into Arabic – then shown on Egyptian television, enraging conservative Muslim viewers.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


No, but they do get upset over things like Marilyn Mansion, Piss Christ, and Mel Gibson's the Passion and try to have it destroyed and the guys removed from their jobs and things like that. Not to mention the pro-life violence against doctors and Planned Parenthood clinics and homosexuals and Mosques in America.

So really, it's not that different. The murder and violence is just a more extreme example.

Both sides think they have the claim on the truth and that everybody has to follow their rules, religious or not.

And if there weren't other restraints on Christians, such as social pressure and laws to protect the rights of minorities, I really don't think Christians would be any different than Muslims.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

What is the topic of this thread? Is it me now? Christians? Orthodox Jews? Israeli government? Mossad? The CIA? Rev. Terry Jones? The American-Israeli filmmaker?

Focus man. Someday get to the actual problem of Muslims resorting to violence and murdering in the name of Muhammad over a fictional movie. That's the big problem here, not what some person chooses to say with their constitutionally granted right of freedom of speech.

You never saw Christians rioting and murdering diplomats over The Da Vinci Code.

The Islamic world would counter your claims on Christians liking to kill people:

www.islam101.com...

Christian Violence in History

I realize you appear to have never been out of your state, nor even have the insights to notice the world isn't dominately Christian, which usually has you making lame comments with poor insights as to how the rest of the world works. Plus, your lame story of leg growing miracles pretty much casts my disrespect for your games on religion.

You, Christianity, supports telling fictions. Fictions began with the Jewish being so connected to god a long time ago, but their genetics is generally so blended down these days that claim isn't worth a hill of beans. The god they referred to, in the first place, was no god to begin with. Then Constantine came up with a one up play to abduct the god theme from the Jewish with the faked up claims for Jesus being god and the Pope being the Vicar. Then the modern Christians grabbed that claim from the Popes by claiming every Christian is the body of Christ and we are now god.

All of your faked up games on religions don't catch much respect in the world, and it causes the world problems with Christians playing with their fantasy Santa Clauss styled religious ignorance.

Islam appears more correct on the grand scheme of religious matters by saying God cannot be shown in any form and is basically the concept for the intelligent designer for the Universe. Muhammad is merely a messeger for that same concept, and they don't even make a deal with showing Mohammad's image. Islam works a lot like the Mason's version for God, which dismisses Jesus being God, and doesn't even jump on the Yahweh theme either. Islam was a reaction to the faked up non-sense of Judaism and Christianity, and the world needs truth, not faked up religious nonsense you are always peddling.

All you do is push the world closer to wars over your mark of the beast on your forehead that lacks a brain intent on truth for the world. imho Yes, some of the thread is about you, when you insist on trying to promote your religious non-sense.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


So I guess the topic is me.