Possible NATO invasion on Syria next week

As many of you already know, recently (22. June) Turkish warplane F-4 Phantom flew into Syrian airspace without the permission where it was shot down by Syrian military. Syria acted within the international law by shooting down foreign warplane inside their aispace.



- At first, Turkey admited the mistake was theirs. Turkish PM commented on warplane: "maybe accidentally got lost".

- But after the diplomatic pressure from USA, Turkey flip flops saying that Turkish warplane was not inside the Syrian airspace and that Syria had no right shoot it down.

- As Hillary Clinton requested 2 moths ago, from Turkey to invoke NATO's article 4 if more tensions occur (she was reffering to Syrian - Terrorist conflict near the border). Turkey just did so like a good puppet, because of the warplane incident.

- Article 4 is a procedure of consultations between NATO members where they will decide whether or not to invoke article 5.
- Article 5 is basicly mobilisation of NATO military with aim to defend the member state, in this case Turkey.

- But what is the purpose of even considering defending the Turkey when it's not being attacked?

Well, this is obviously preplaned. - Turkish warplane flew on purpose into Syrian airspace so that incident would condition Turkish public into helping the invasion on Syria. Remember, that Turkey did not wanted to participate in inavison on Syria, until now!

Hillary Clinton already said that USA is planing the establishemnt of "assistance hub" inside the Syria to help "Syrian opposition" (terrorists) overthrow Bashar al-Assad.

Obviously, NATO is rushing towards Syria and if they decide to invoke Article 5 with purpose of defending Turkey it will end with invasion on Syria.


USA seems not to pay attention, at least not in the public about Russian warnings concerning Syria! Russia already stated that it is against every foreign military invasion on Syria and that Syrian people has responsobility to take care for themselves. Iran and China support Russian stand for Syria. Among other things Russia is arming Syria for years and it has already announced plans for bringing tanks into Syria if Syria gets under attack.
Clinton recently critcized Russia for arming the Syria:


It's obvious now. NATO served as a tool to sorround Russia with anti-missile shields and american bases, now NATO wants to get into Syria and Iran to surround Russia even from the south. USA is preparing for full scale war against Syria, Iran, Russia and China. And that is WW3.

This is what Britain's foreign secretary William Hague have to say about this:

I am gravely concerned by the Syrian regime's action in shooting down a Turkish military plane on 22 June. When I spoke to Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu on 23 June, he told me that the plane had been shot down without warning.

This outrageous act underlines how far beyond accepted behaviour the Syrian regime has put itself and I condemn it wholeheartedly. My thoughts and sympathies are with the families and friends of the missing Turkish pilots. I have made clear to foreign minister Davutoglu the UK's strong support for the Turkish government at this difficult time.

The Assad regime should not make the mistake of believing that it can act with impunity. It will be held to account for its behaviour. The UK stands ready to pursue robust action at the United Nations security council.

This deplorable incident underlines the urgent need to find a solution to the current crisis in Syria in order to bring an end to the violence and to achieve a genuine political transition. We support the Joint UN and Arab League Special Envoy's continuing efforts on this.

I wonder what would UK do if Russian plane would enter their airspace.

Thanks for posting. I am glad that some people are not ignoring what is right in front of us.

WW3 is getting close.

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- In first Turkey admited the mistake was theirs. Turkish PM commented on warplane: "maybe accidentally got lost".

- But after the diplomatic pressure from USA, Turkey flip flops saying that Turkish warplane was not inside the Syrian Airspace and that Syria had no right to do that!

Most people cant read between the lines or refuse to. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Is it really so hard for people? Are people really so stupid?

Originally posted by Germanicus
Most people cant read between the lines or refuse to. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Is it really so hard for people? Are people really so stupid?

Well, They're not stupid. - they just read, listen and watch propagnada news, it's called brainwashing...

reply to post by Fichorka

The propaganda starting already for what the public thinks.

This pop up on you tube claming to be of the jet being shot down


I cant even see the plane let alone a crash.

reply to post by Germanicus


WW3 is already here and has been for decades. Or at times I call it a continuation of WW2 on a smaller scale with the various countries using proxy wars. All are guilty of it.

But you are right, the average person will not think this way and are willingly blinded until the shovel smacks them upside the face.

It just does not fit in their worldview.

Originally posted by skuly
reply to post by Fichorka

 

The propaganda starting already for what the public thinks.

This pop up on you tube claming to be of the jet being shot down

I cant even see the plane let alone a crash.

Mass hallucinations maybe?

I didn't see squat either. Planes being shot out of the air ALWAYS leave a trail of black smoke.

Originally posted by Fichorka
- As Hillary Clinton requested four days ago (2 days before the warplane incident), from Turkey to invoke NATO's article 4 if more tensions occur (she was reffering to Syrian - Terrorist conflict near the border). Turkey just did so like a good puppet, because of the warplane incident.

Actually, the sourced article above is one I ran across yesterday when doing some research myself. If you look at the date of the article you will see it was actually posted on April 20, 2012 and not 4 days ago. When I saw that yesterday it made the whole thing even a bit more suspicious in my opinion.

Whatever they were trying to pull to get Article 4 invoked in April obviously did not work, so let's step back and try again hence this latest event? Who knows. Just thought it was interesting to point out the time line and how it's all going down currently.

MMIMO

ETA: Time stamp on sourced Today's Zaman article:

coalition meeting on Syria in Paris. (Photo: AP)
20 April 2012 / TODAY’S ZAMAN, ANKARA

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said that NATO member Turkey may invoke Article 4 of the alliance’s charter, which sees consultations among the member countries when the security of any parties involved, are in danger in regard to escalating tension along Turkey’s Syria border

Same source as OP

Originally posted by skuly
reply to post by Fichorka

 

The propaganda starting already for what the public thinks.

This pop up on you tube claming to be of the jet being shot down

I cant even see the plane let alone a crash.

This video could be true, but it is irrelevant, because Syrian Defense Ministry confirmed shooting down Turkish warplane and they had every right to do so.

Originally posted by MyMindIsMyOwn
Actually, the sourced article above is one I ran across yesterday when doing some research myself. If you look at the date of the article you will see it was actually posted on April 20, 2012 and not 4 days ago. When I saw that yesterday it made the whole thing even a bit more suspicious in my opinion.

I fixed it, thanks for telling me

This is highly misleading. Article 5 has not been invoked and even then that does not mean an "invasion" The could poist a no-fly zone, they could target AA batteries etc. I mean yeah i guess an "invasion" is POSSIBLE just like anything is possible but i dont see anything here that indicates "invasion". There arent even things in place for an invasion of Syria...that would take some time to mobilize....certaing not NEXT WEEK.

Originally posted by Fichorka
As many of you already know, recently (22. June) Turkish warplane F-4 Phantom flew into Syrian airspace without the permission where it was shot down by Syrian military. Syria acted within the international law by shooting down foreign warplane inside their aispace.

- In first Turkey admited the mistake was theirs. Turkish PM commented on warplane: "maybe accidentally got lost".

- But after the diplomatic pressure from USA, Turkey flip flops saying that Turkish warplane was not inside the Syrian airspace and that Syria had no right shoot it down.

- As Hillary Clinton requested 2 moths ago, from Turkey to invoke NATO's article 4 if more tensions occur (she was reffering to Syrian - Terrorist conflict near the border). Turkey just did so like a good puppet, because of the warplane incident.

- Article 4 is a procedure of consultations between NATO members where they will decide whether or not to invoke article 5.
- Article 5 is basicly mobilisation of NATO military with aim to defend the member state, in this case Turkey.

- But what is the purpose of even considering defending the Turkey if there is no attack on Turkey?

Well, this is obviously preplaned. - Turkish warplane flew on purpose into Syrian airspace so that incident would condition Turkish public into helping the invasion on Syria. Remember, that Turkey did not wanted to participate in inavison on Syria, until now!

Hillary Clinton already said that USA is planing the establishemnt of "assistance hub" inside the Syria to help "Syrian opposition" (terrorists) overthrow Bashar al-Assad.

Obviously, NATO is rushing towards Syria and if they decide to invoke Article 5 with purpose of defending Turkey it will end with invasion on Syria.

USA seems not to pay attention, at least not in the public about Russian warnings concerning Syria! Russia already stated that it is against every foreign military invasion on Syria and that Syrian people has responsobility to take care for themselves. Iran and China support Russian stand for Syria. Among other things Russia is arming Syria for years and it has already announced plans for bringing tanks into Syria if Syria gets under attack.
Clinton recently critcized Russia for arming the Syria:

It's obvious now. NATO served as a tool to sorround Russia with anti-missile shields and american bases, now NATO wants to get into Syria and Iran to surround Russia even from the south. USA is preparing for full scale war against Syria, Iran, Russia and China. And that is WW3.

edit on 24/6/2012 by Fichorka because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by princeofpeace
This is highly misleading. Article 5 has not been invoked and even then that does not mean an "invasion" The could poist a no-fly zone, they could target AA batteries etc. I mean yeah i guess an "invasion" is POSSIBLE just like anything is possible but i dont see anything here that indicates "invasion". There arent even things in place for an invasion of Syria...that would take some time to mobilize....certaing not NEXT WEEK.

Who said Article 5 was invoked? I never said that! However Article 4 is invoked and it is being considered invoking article 5! You understand now?

My bad-either way, i still dont see how an invasion of Syria can materialize and happen by next week?

Originally posted by Fichorka

Originally posted by princeofpeace
This is highly misleading. Article 5 has not been invoked and even then that does not mean an "invasion" The could poist a no-fly zone, they could target AA batteries etc. I mean yeah i guess an "invasion" is POSSIBLE just like anything is possible but i dont see anything here that indicates "invasion". There arent even things in place for an invasion of Syria...that would take some time to mobilize....certaing not NEXT WEEK.

Who said Article 5 was invoked? I never said that! However Article 4 is invoked and it is being considered invoking article 5! You understand now?

Originally posted by Fichorka
I wonder what would UK do if Russian plane would enter their airspace.

March 25, 2010
Two Russian bombers, capable of carrying nuclear weapons, have been caught flying over British airspace.

The unwelcome guests spent four hours flying over the Isle of Lewis despite being intercepted by two RAF jets.

Wing Commander Mark Gorringe, commander of 111 Squadron, said: "This is not an unusual incident.

"People may be surprised to know that our crews have successfully scrambled to intercept Russian aircraft on more than 20 occasions since the start of 2009.

news.sky.com...

Turkey, and or NATO would not announce War repercussions, whilst they may claim a diplomatic resolve, or Sanctions, doesn't mean that is where it ends, regardless of articles, or NATO allowances, if this is the the act that commences War, it shall be regardless of Laws,


though, it is quite significant, a step towards the End Game anyway,

We are witnessing how Turkey is massing it's army on the border with Syria. Saudi Arabia's army just got orders for high level of alertness. This doesn't sound good for Syria.

I would give S$F for the title...but I have not to, because of the TOTAL missleading content of the OP.

In the last...probably 30 years, there have been THOUSANDS of air space violations (in times of peace) in :
US (by russians)
UK (by russians)
Norway (by russians)
Finland (by russians)
Canada (by russians)
Romania (by russians)
Poland (by russians)
Turkey (by syrians and isrealis)
Syria (by israelis)
Lebanon (by syrians and israelis)
and probaly more countries...

...and NOBODY shot down a plane WITHOUT warning and / or scramble interceptor jets.
even tho there was ENTIRELY LEGAL to do so.

The syrians growed some balls (because their russian, chinese and iranina masters told them) and they shot down a turkish war plane.It doesn't matter if the plane was OR NOT violating the syrian air space.They should NOT HAVE shot it down.PERIOD.

Now, there will be something with Syria, maybe even an invasion, but this is NOT because of some false flag or provocation from NATO or Turkey.It will be because NATO did it in Lybia WAAAAAAAAY before the casualties to reach the number they had reached in Syria.

What will be after NATO starts bombing the crap out of the syrian army? I really dunno, but i hope it will end in 1-2 weeks and russians to stay aside.

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Yeah, no. Syria has the world's 30th most powerful military in the world (Libya had a fraction of what Syria possess) and the worlds largest chemical weapon stockpile. If NATO attacked Syria then Assad would launch every missile he has at US forces and US allies (he vowed the burn the Middle East down before Syria falls) and can count on Iran's military power (Ranked 12th in the world) and their own weapon stockpiles which can smash Turkey, Israeli, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi Arabia with enough firepower to raise their cities to the ground. So you have two regional powers and a hell of a lot of chemical weapons in the hands of a mad man.
Do you really think this would go easily for NATO? Not a chance.

Originally posted by Fichorka
This is what Britain's foreign secretary William Hague have to say about this:

I am gravely concerned by the Syrian regime's action in shooting down a Turkish military plane on 22 June. When I spoke to Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu on 23 June, he told me that the plane had been shot down without warning.

This outrageous act underlines how far beyond accepted behaviour the Syrian regime has put itself and I condemn it wholeheartedly. My thoughts and sympathies are with the families and friends of the missing Turkish pilots. I have made clear to foreign minister Davutoglu the UK's strong support for the Turkish government at this difficult time.

The Assad regime should not make the mistake of believing that it can act with impunity. It will be held to account for its behaviour. The UK stands ready to pursue robust action at the United Nations security council.

This deplorable incident underlines the urgent need to find a solution to the current crisis in Syria in order to bring an end to the violence and to achieve a genuine political transition. We support the Joint UN and Arab League Special Envoy's continuing efforts on this.

I wonder what would UK do if Russian plane would enter their airspace.

edit on 24/6/2012 by Fichorka because: (no reason given)

I can tell you exactly what they would do as they do it on a regular basis. They would send up 2 fully loaded Typhoons to escort the aircraft out of our airspace and back into international airspace and the Russians would comply like they do time and time again. If they for once choose to continue they would be give a warning and eventually be shot down.

If they do .. it will be their end
this will open the pandora box

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we are knee deep in war