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With precisely one year left for the world and all of its inhabitants, at least according to the Mayans, not to mention on the day of the Winter Solstice, it is only fitting that US debt, net of all settlements for all already completed bond auctions, is now at precisely $15,182,756,264,288.80. Why is this relevant? Because the latest annualized US GDP, according to the BEA, was $15,180,900,000.00. Which means that, as of today, total US debt to GDP is 100.012%. Congratulations America: you are now in the triple digit "debt to GDP" club!
(naturally, this is using purely "on the books" data. If one adds the NPV of all US liabilities, and adjusts GDP for such things as today's housing contraction, then the magical triple digit threshold was breached long, long ago).
And here is the breakdown for the forensically inclined ones:
I. Total debt as of December 20: $15,131,979,264,288,80 (source):
II. Net cash settlement of all completed auctions: $50,777,000,000.00 (source):
III. Total GDP: $15,180,900,000,000.00 (source):
=> Total Debt/GDP= $15,182,756,264,288.80/$15,180,900,000,000.00 = 100.012%
Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by caladonea
First of all it isn't US debt. It is stolen money given to foreign bankers and then we are told to pay it back instead of who it was loaned to. All without our knowledge and consent. In other words we are the co-signer for someone else loans. The bought off president and congress signed the paper work for us. Now we have nothing and the banks have it all.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by redrose123
The money that was given to foreign banks mostly anyways wasn't from the "bailout" funds but rather through certain programs by the Federal Reserve that is not "debt" it's created monies. That which was delivered to foreign banks via the bailout funds is indeed debt, which we owe and pay for.
The USA however has been at 100+% of Debt to GDP for about 5 months now.
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by wisdomnotemotion
However...it is disturbing to me that you are congratulating America on our debt....it seems to me that you are..smugly enjoying the fact that the United States is in such heavy debt.
Originally posted by buddha
Its ok!
america is ready for a civil war.
what it should to is take over all banks and bussneses.
so they can make a clean start.
no one should have to pay the banks back.
we did this all to are selves.
I'm sure about one thing. I probably don't understand a lot with economics, but does this mean that the US Dollar has finally collapsed unofficially?
The USA has monetization capabilities that would allow us to use inflation to keep debt in control probably up to 300-400% of GDP.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Rockpuck
The USA has monetization capabilities that would allow us to use inflation to keep debt in control probably up to 300-400% of GDP.
That is only true so long as the US Dollar is the International Reserve Currency. If we lose that distinction, our debt will become totally unmanageable overnight.
Unfortunately, the currency in demand for oil by OPEC is the defacto IRC. Since OPEC and allied oil-producing countries are presently dropping or considering dropping the dollar, our ability to retain the dollar as the IRC is somewhat questionable. Hence, an upcoming war is also inevitable against the single most uncompromising country when it comes to depegging from the dollar: Iran.
You don't really think we got rid of Saddam because he threatened George Bush?
You don't really think we had nothing to do with the protests all across the Middle East?
You don't really think Ghadaffi was taken out because he was a bad man?
You really don't think we just walked out of Iraq because of a three-year-old campaign promise? We got most of our troops out of the way of those missiles that are warming up.
The timing of all this is just too coincidental.
TheRedneck