ATF declares scrubber pads as NFA firearm

reply to post by negativenihil


Have you lived in a city? I lived in a murder-a-day hell hole for several years and not once was the sound of the shot ever used as an indication a crime had been committed or to find the shooter.

Granted none of these shootings were ever long-distance shots. They were always point blank petty gang crap killings.

Drop all suppressor restrictions and if we see a rash of 1,000 yard unsolvable murders I'll concede the point.

Here's a good paper on silencer criminality: wcr.sonoma.edu...

The above numbers suggest several important conclusions.
First, use of silencers in crime is rare. Even
when silencers are possessed they are even less frequently
used. Silencer use is not primarily connected to organized
crime. There were a few such cases, but in general,
use of silencers appears to be a poor proxy for organized
crime. Silencers probably are more threatening to their
victims on a psychological level when used in crimes
such as armed robbery. There is no evidence to suggest
that criminals who possess silencers are more likely to be
violent. For example, in the 50 cases of silencers found
in drug raids, none of the defendants used a silencer to
shoot at police, and in only a few of these cases was there
any resistance at all.
Whether silencers should be illegal at all is a good
question. While most of the federal cases examined here
came from states where silencers are illegal (New York,
Illinois, California), those also seem to be states where
there is high crime. The number of silencer cases is not
high enough to really determine if states where silencers
are legal make their use in crime more likely.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by negativenihil

 

Have you lived in a city?

I sure have! For the better part of a decade even. Having a SWAT team seemingly appear out of nowhere to take down a neighborhood drug dealer was my hint that maybe it was time to head back north.

I lived in a murder-a-day hell hole for several years and not once was the sound of the shot ever used as an indication a crime had been committed or to find the shooter

Granted none of these shootings were ever long-distance shots. They were always point blank petty gang crap killings.

Drop all suppressor restrictions and if we see a rash of 1,000 yard unsolvable murders I'll concede the point.

So we're just going to ignore the points - from your own link - and deflect with a personal anecdote?

Look, I'm sorry you ended up living in a crappy part of a city - but that does not negate the fact that suppressors CAN be a useful tool to get away with murder. But again - at the end of the day - I feel that anyone wishing to own a suppressor is simply hoping to live out some assassin fantasies someday. If you legally own your firearm and use it lawfully, there is no legit reason to have a suppressor.

reply to post by negativenihil


Anything CAN be a useful tool. If you get time go through the paper I linked. At least the conclusions near the end.

Irrational fear is irrational.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


It would be hilarious if it wasn't so disappointing.

And to think, every grocery store in the nation carries these products!

ATF raids on Wal-Mart, anyone?