TSA asks 95 years old woman, in wheelchair, battling leukemia to remove adult diaper

reply to post by FallingAwake1000

Another TSA agent spreading bull-ony, I see. You're more likely to get hit by lightning than a grandmother or a child being used as bombers in the United States. This is a lie which is only perpetuated by TSA & Homeland Security. Why is that? You're full of doublespeak.

Your trainers must of drilled that line in your head over and over. Post after post, thread after thread the same old argument.

Stop molesting Americans now, before we turn the Constitution loose on the dirty filthy molesting NAZI TSA pigs.

Why would terrorists go to all that trouble when all they have to do is swallow some balloons, have a surgical implant or shove it up their anus or vagina?

Nope we don't believe any of your lies.

I'll be thinking of you on the 4th of July as I burn an Effigy of a TSA agent with American fireworks.

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Originally posted by Dilligaf28
reply to post by jfj123

 

There is no legal mechanism which would compel me to grant you passage, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to assemble, the right to carry a firearm, or any other Constitutionally protected rights while on my private property.

If you post a sign stating your property is PRIVATE..aka private property and I walk through it your only legal recourse is to call the police and ask that I be removed/arrested for trespassing.

If you choose to violate my property without my consent I can, depending on the State law, extricate you, detain you until police arrive, or even go so far as to shoot you for trespassing.

No you can't.

I would welcome you to test the voracity of my statement should you so desire.

Sure if you live close enough I'd be happy to Where do you live?

I have the right and the authority to search you before you come onto my property.

No you don't.

I have the right and the authority to deny you usage of my property.

Yes you do.

I have the right and authority to remove you from my property at any time for any reason.

If and only if I am posing an iminant threat can you legally detain me. otherwise I get a fine and you go to jail

I have this right in my home and I have this right in my business.

No not really.

reply to post by Dilligaf28


And let's not forget that every image shown in a body scanner of a child under 18 is considered child pornography which means the TSA are breaking child pornography laws. It's illegal in the United States to own, create or view... well you get the point.

Originally posted by jfj123
If you post a sign stating your property is PRIVATE..aka private property and I walk through it your only legal recourse is to call the police and ask that I be removed/arrested for trespassing.

It depends on the state, many now have the castle doctrine:

A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine arising from English Common Law[1] that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his "castle"), and any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine.

Any place that you legally occupy, you have a right to defend as your castle. If you are in fear of imminent violent attack, and feel you can prove your fears in court, you have the right to use deadly force.

It does not necessarily have to be posted! Hence the fact that the law applies to someone trying to carjack your vehicle. I have never seen a vehicle with a “no trespassing” sign on it. Certain areas are implied to be no trespassing, such as your vehicle and your house.

Originally posted by jfj123

If you choose to violate my property without my consent I can, depending on the State law, extricate you, detain you until police arrive, or even go so far as to shoot you for trespassing.

No you can't.

As shown above, yes he can in several states.

Originally posted by jfj123

I have the right and the authority to search you before you come onto my property.

No you don't.

Yes he does. He can require you consent to a search or require you leave his property. If you refuse to leave after refusing a search, then he can apply the castle doctrine to you.

This is how places such as amusement parks can now require a search before allowing you entry.

Originally posted by jfj123

I have the right and authority to remove you from my property at any time for any reason.

If and only if I am posing an iminant threat can you legally detain me. otherwise I get a fine and you go to jail

No if you are posing an imminent threat he can SHOOT you!

Originally posted by jfj123

I have this right in my home and I have this right in my business.

No not really.

YES! He does…
He also has that right in his vehicle.

Originally posted by defcon5

A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine arising from English Common Law[1] that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his "castle"), and any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. In a legal context, therefore, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homicide under the Castle Doctrine.

Any place that you legally occupy, you have a right to defend as your castle. If you are in fear of imminent violent attack, and feel you can prove your fears in court, you have the right to use deadly force.

Yes I believe I actually stated that. Above and beyond that however, if I'm passing through unmarked land, and there is no reasonable way for me to know it is private property, the owner can ask me to leave if he/she see's me on their land but very rarely could I be detained for simple trespassing. The other poster made it sound as if the CONSTITUTION were suspended once I enter his piece of property without exception.

It does not necessarily have to be posted!

If I have no reasonable way to know that the piece of property is private and not public land, and I do not pose an immanent threat, can there is not much the owner can do except have me removed for simple trespassing.
Since laws are slightly different in each of the 50 states, I'm speaking in generalities. If we'd like to pick one state, we can then talk about specific state and local laws and even cite specific case law as example.

In general, if I were to accidentally walk onto someone's land, not knowing it was private property, and posing no threat to person or property, if the land owner shot me, they generally could be charged with a crime.

Hence the fact that the law applies to someone trying to carjack your vehicle. I have never seen a vehicle with a “no trespassing” sign on it. Certain areas are implied to be no trespassing, such as your vehicle and your house.

But if you'll notice, the conversation has been about simple passage of proposed private property without threat to person or property and not home invasion, theft, assault, etc...

As shown above, yes he can in several states.

You have the right to defend yourself, family and in some states property only to immanent threat as you've posted above. If I simply walk onto your property, you can't tackle me and drag me off the property. I think we're talking about 2 different things. The difference is INTENT.

basically what it seems we are talking about is technically a citizens arrest so lets look at that:

Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. For example, Arizona law allows a citizen's arrest if the arrestor has personally witnessed the offense occurring. [35]

American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections held by police officers, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including, but not limited to, any infringement of another's rights.

Detention is permitted where probable cause exists that one has committed a felony, breach of peace, physical injury to another person, or theft or destruction of property.[39] Detention is different from an arrest in that in a detention, the detainee may not be transported without consent.

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I have the right and authority to remove you from my property at any time for any reason.

If and only if I am posing an imminant threat can you legally detain me. otherwise I get a fine and you go to jail

No if you are posing an imminent threat he can SHOOT you!

As stated above, IF i am posing an immanent threat....if I'm not, he can't shoot me.

I have this right in my home and I have this right in my business.

YES! He does…

In most states it's simply not that black and white.

He also has that right in his vehicle.

Yes in some states.

I think where we're getting hung up here is what I'm envisioning is that I might be walking across a countryside and might mistakingly have walked onto his land. If that happens, he absolutely can ask me to leave. But simple trespass does not give a citizen probable cause to detain and search someone. I've run into this before while geocaching. I was unknowingly on someone's land. They came out and told me that I was trespassing so I apologized and asked where their property lines were as their land butts up to public land. They tried to detain me, I explained if the person touched me again, I would consider it assault and would defend myself. I continued walking off their land as they called the police who arrived quickly. They talked to the officer first and at that point, the officer told the property owner they were in the wrong. The officer went on to explain that I had no way of knowing where their property line was and there was obviously no intent to commit a crime so he wasn't going to arrest me. The officer went further to explain he could be charged with simple assault for trying to detain me.

So in reality it's not as black and white as we're making it sound.

Now back to the TSA. I believe they're committing a number of crimes. Among those are illegal search and seizure, purveyance and distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, etc..

Your argument is that they post a sign which suspends your rights and can deny entrance. I don't agree with that but lets go with that. Let's say what you state is 100% correct. OK so you refuse to go through the illegal body scanners or the invasive pat downs. Then if you are correct, they can deny you entrance and you must then leave. Oh but wait, they won't let you leave either. You see, they go beyond denying entrance. Although I still wouldn't agree, I would find it less unacceptable if you got to that point and they gave you 3 choices:
1. body scanner
2. groping
3. leave
At least you would have the option of not being subjected to the other 2.

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You can't just walk away because you don't want a pat down. They will accuse you of being a terrorist because you're obviously hiding something. Detain you, call the police, and give a you a good beating with tazers and batons. If you're lucky you won't get shot in the back of the head when you're cuffed.

TSA: Son, spread your cheeks.
You: Yes sir!

Originally posted by balon0
reply to post by jfj123

 

You can't just walk away because you don't want a pat down. They will accuse you of being a terrorist because you're obviously hiding something. Detain you, call the police, and give a you a good beating with tazers and batons. If you're lucky you won't get shot in the back of the head when you're cuffed.

Well that sounds like a reasonable response to exercising my rights