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The Forged Origins of the New Testament.
by Tony Bushby
March 2007
Extracted from Nexus Magazine
Volume 14, Number 4 (June - July 2007)
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Summary: In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine united all religious factions under one composite deity, and ordered the compilation of new and old writings into a uniform collection that became the New Testament.
About the Author
Tony Bushby, ... is the author of The Bible Fraud (2001; reviewed in NEXUS 8/06 with extracts in NEXUS 9/01—03), The Secret in the Bible (2003; reviewed in 11/02, with extract, "Ancient Cities under the Sands of Giza", in 11/03) and The Crucifixion of Truth (2005; reviewed in 12/02) and The Twin Deception (2007; reviewed 14/03).
Copies of these books are available from the NEXUS website and the Joshua Books website www.joshuabooks.com...
What the Church doesn't want you to know
It has often been emphasized that Christianity is unlike any other religion, for it stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago. Those stories are presented in the New Testament, and as new evidence is revealed it will become clear that they do not represent historical realities.
Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by Lucifer777
Thanks for a brilliant post.
I have a couple of simple points to make, which express my beliefs.
1. The bible was written over a long period by many people and therefore it is highly suspect.
2. The name of Jesus is used to trick people, to make money, and to threaten people. The name of Jesus has been misused and abused.
3. I believe that Jesus, or some Jesus-like entity, existed
to teach us the things we are not born feeling, necessarily - such as love your fellowman, do not hate him; try and forgive people when they crap on you; try not to take what is not yours; don't murder people etc.
4. Good and evil are locked in battle every day, everywhere. It is up to us which way we go.
Originally posted by 5StarOracle
What a load of crap 3 4 5 6 7 are not required and those things dont apply to all who would be saved, Why did you try and manipulate that to your own means?
But the way the Bible was most likely wrong through the hands of man during the Council of Trent, must be when they wrote the parts that said Lucifer was good looking and highly intelligent...
Originally posted by adjensen
Since none of this is central to Christianity (or even the Bible, when viewed holistically,)
there is sufficient historical evidence to dismiss your claim of "fourth century fabrication", and these are all just standard canned arguments for evangelical atheists, why would anyone who didn't already agree with you view it as a revelation?
Originally posted by Akragon
Might i ask what you do believe in?
the positive suppression of heresy by ecclesiastical and civil authority in Christian society is as old as the Church
the imperial successors of Constantine soon began to see in themselves Divinely appointed "bishops of the exterior", i.e. masters of the temporal and material conditions of the Church. At the same time they retained the traditional authority of "Pontifex Maximus"
the successors of Constantine were ever persuaded that the first concern of imperial authority (Theodosius II, "Novellae", tit. III, A.D. 438) was the protection of religion and so, with terrible regularity, issued many penal edicts against heretics.
Breaking on the Wheel.
The naked heretic had each limb and joint broken precisely to avoid any fatal blows. He was then 'braided' into the spokes of the wheel and hoisted on to a post. There he was exposed to the elements – or left to be twirled by passers by who wanted to join in the fun.
Slow Burn
A 16th century device to lift the victim in and out of the fire, roasting him alive slowly instead of burning him all at once.
Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
I wonder what the Original poster does with documents like P52 and P46, which date to the 125-200 AD range. Those papyrii are from texts as varied as Titus and the Gospel of John, yet they are in the same form as much later manuscripts.
If Constantine et al created the New Testament in the fourth century, why is so much of it 150 to 200 years older?
Likewise, the consensus of scholars is that at least part of the mentions of Jesus in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews' is likely authentic. But even if it's not, there's the problem of all the early christian graffiti throughout the classical world.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
en.wikipedia.org...
For he says in the treatises that he has written in the governance of the Jews: "At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their loyalty to him. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive. Accordingly they believed that he was the Messiah, concerning whom the Prophets have recounted wonders
Ibid
It is easy enough to say the evidence doesn't exist if you are careful to remain ignorant of any evidence or research. Some of it is problematic, certainly, and the scholarly community is not monolithic about the conclusions. Still, very few of them share the OP's view. I wonder why....
Originally posted by racasan
www.jesusneverexisted.com...
Breaking on the Wheel.
The naked heretic had each limb and joint broken precisely to avoid any fatal blows. He was then 'braided' into the spokes of the wheel and hoisted on to a post. There he was exposed to the elements – or left to be twirled by passers by who wanted to join in the fun.
Or
Slow Burn
A 16th century device to lift the victim in and out of the fire, roasting him alive slowly instead of burning him all at once.
more here:
www.jesusneverexisted.com...
These methods aren’t just about getting some uncooperative voices quietly out of the way; this is about instilling terror into the population and to enforce control
How the Gospels were created
Constantine then instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council.
His instructions were:
"Search ye these books, and whatever is good in them, that retain; but whatsoever is evil, that cast away. What is good in one book, unite ye with that which is good in another book. And whatsoever is thus brought together shall be called The Book of Books. And it shall be the doctrine of my people, which I will recommend unto all nations, that there shall be no more war for religions' sake."
(God's Book of Eskra, op. cit., chapter xlviii, paragraph 31)
"Make them to astonish" said Constantine, and "the books were written accordingly"
(Life of Constantine, vol. iv, pp. 36-39).
Eusebius amalgamated the "legendary tales of all the religious doctrines of the world together as one", using the standard god-myths from the presbyters' manuscripts as his exemplars.
.....Eusebius then arranged for scribes to produce,
"fifty sumptuous copies ... to be written on parchment in a legible manner, and in a convenient portable form, by professional scribes thoroughly accomplished in their art"
(ibid.).
"These orders," said Eusebius, "were followed by the immediate execution of the work itself ... we sent him [Constantine] magnificently and elaborately bound volumes of three-fold and four-fold forms"
(Life of Constantine, vol. iv, p. 36).
They were the "New Testimonies", and this is the first mention (c. 331) of the New Testament in the historical record.
With his instructions fulfilled, Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Savior God" (Life of Constantine, vol. iii, p. 29) and official to all presbyters sermonizing in the Roman Empire. He then ordered earlier presbyterial manuscripts and the records of the council "burnt" and declared that "any man found concealing writings should be stricken off from his shoulders" (beheaded) (ibid.).
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
There are many threads on ATS about christians concerned with the NWO using force and terror tactics to enforce a new religion – I have to wonder if this is because they know this is how their own brand of religion was origional forced onto the world
Originally posted by Lucifer777
P52 is a tiny scrap of Papyrus 3.5 by 2.5 inches which contains lines from the Gospel of John (see en.wikipedia.org... ).
All estimates based on paeleography are unreliable, irrespective of the many claims which paeleographers make.
Scribes often wrote in the writing style of an earler period to make a document look like a document from that period.
There are two passages from Josepheus, one which refers to Jesus as a person who was "called the Christ," and the other passage where he is referred to as "Christ" or "the Christ," and where Josepheus allegedly even doubts it being lawful to refer to him as a "man;" ths is considered to be a piece of Christian propaganda which was likely inserted into Jospeheus at a later date.
Josepheus was of course Jewish and not a Christian, and it is highly unlikley that he would have written this; it is much more likely to be a later Christian editing of the text. Further there is a version of the text in the Arabic which reads quite differently, thus
It is simply due to the effects of religious hypnosis and indoctrination.