read this ..... an intresting take on the orgins of "Civilization"

check out thius website and scroll to where it talks about socities and then tell me what u think

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

[Edited on 23-3-2003 by abstract_alao]

verry verry interesting, nice link, it links to other interesting reads (on same site)

everybody should read this.


they also mention the D.C. pentagram..

Ed/ it touches the truth doesn't it?



[Edited on 21-3-2003 by alienaddicted]

Actually, the article seems to make more logical sense than the actual society we're living in...Although it seems to point to the conclusion that total anarchy would be the only other alternative.



[Edited on 25-3-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

Well the rest of its info on other areas is very inaccurate, and this is no different.

I stopped reading when it blamed the current poor education system on the "Freemason built DOE" which is untrue.

The DOE no longer is ran as it was just 80 years ago, in the 20s the central government (The democrats) took full control of all education by putting it under nearly complete federal funding.

They in a sense took a laso to the education system's balls.

The Education system today is pathetic, and is a Democratic device, because few intelligent people vote Democrat, as their path is much more crooked from the constitution than the Republican path, and you'd have to be desperate to see certain things done to go with them.

Dumbed down America, just so the Democrats can stay in power.

Clinton is proof of that.

Blaming Freemasons is only what THEY want you to do.

Instead of getting educated, you read all these fiction books about how there's a secret NWO coming, no, no secret, its right in front of your nose, in fact, it is your nose.

You are the NWO, your own ignorance spreads it, because you can not learn your constitution and understand how to vote for responsible constitution following peoples. You as in the masses, everyone here seems to think somewhat.

Either way, that's the plain truth, you are your own nightmares, and you are ruining it for the rest of us.

Socrates had a better idea of democracy.

Only rational and intelligent and learned people should be allowed to vote.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

LoL listen to this guy blow his horn.


Not even worth pointing out the flaws of his physics, his explaination is totally stupid as to why the moon landings were a faked Masonic plot. LoL.

He even tries to liken Apollo 13 to the 3rd degree.

*coo coo, coo coo*

I'm sure the science guys here will get a kick out of it.

you know what 5POF I have a feeling that you are hammerite.



You gave your self away with the democrats comment



I do agree with you on that. People do need to educate themselves. But freemasons are so secretive



learned people.... There was this man that was never "learned" He pick up a basic math book and created some of the greatest proofs on rational numbers. He had never had a formal education. Einstein never passed the 3rd grade yet he has has the biggest influence on this world especially today(i.e theory of relativity, the Atom bomb)

It seems that people in this society feel like there better than the rest of the world. If there is to ever be peace in this crazy world we live in we need to look at each others as equals and quit trying to degrade people just so we can make ourselves feel bigger.

Someone else want to take this? No?? Ok...

I hate to break it to you.

But Einstein had a Ph.D.

but he still got kicked out of school in 3rd grade. I still think your hamerite. I see how tried to avoid the main part of my question and attack one small example. .. Yea your hammerite

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Einstein didn't fail mathematics. He was smarter than the teachers - the problem was that he didn't follow the "correct" method, he made his own methods. And thus he was FAILED by his teachers.

And education? Our school system is crap because (unlike the original classroom environment) the current (Dewey Decimal-based) system is based upon the Socialist instruction of Nazi Germany. Yes, Hitler first used the idea of the "average student" and age-segregation. Just for starters...

the statement that I was trying to make is that being "learned" is a bunch of bullsh*t. The fact that his teachers failed him is proof of that.

The origin of Civilization is the Adam's family, Arabian who spoke Arabic, the God's language.

Urban legend, I'm afraid:
en.wikipedia.org...

He had a good education, was granted a teaching certificate, worked at other jobs until he could afford to pay for schooling to become a PhD. He was the friend of other famous mathemeticians and physicists at the time and corresponded with many famous theoretical scientists.

His work was based on very solid scholarship. He later began working with astronomers, and in 1912 he became a professor at the University of Zurich and later a professor at the University of Berlin.

So he was highly educated and in addition to his formal education he was someone who learned constantly from other academics.

Well, it's badly written for one thing... presents a topic as a "fiat accompli" and then runs to another idea without any support of the first. His comments about Biblical translations are reasonably fair, but he's not aware that the original Bible documents are written in more than one language.

And this...

... is rather incoherent and not correct. Some of the tales are reworked Sumerian tales, but all the begats and begots and many of the other tales are purely Jewish, as are the religious laws in those early books.

So it made me wonder if the writer actually read the Bible.

In addition to having a "if it's in the Bible, we can make it true" bias, he also gets a "D" in research and scholarship. Sumeria isn't the oldest civilization, and in his "pick and choose" verses, the Exodus verses don't mention Satan as the "destroyer" (here the writer failed to follow his own advice and check the concordances). He should probably read Revelation again and read some of the commentaries on it and a bit more about the society and culture of the person who wrote it (here, again... he does not DO what he tells you to do.)

So he's got a very black-and-white viewpoint, feels that all men are born evil, he has no concept that something other than Christianity may hold truth, is a Young Earth Creationist (believing that the Earth was created in the past 6,000 years (easily disproven), and then goes into wild and unsupported speculation (humans as prostitutes for the gods. This is rather absurd, since the only god that ever had sex with humans in the Sumerian pantheon is Ishtar (Gilgamesh mocks her for this) ... and the men she took as lovers were hardly prostitutes.)

Sso, bad research, incoherent writing... not much there.

Can I recommend Wikipedia on human history in lieu of the rambling pseudophilosophy of that site? Wikipedia's far more accurate and does not suffer from the bias that one religion's origin story represents the full truth or the full evidence:
en.wikipedia.org...

I'd also like to recommend that you study philosophy. These "impressive articles" are impressive only if you haven't read much philosophy. If you've read some (even good Christian ones) you'll find out just how fluffy and lightweight those ideas are.

A good site to start with is:
www.philosophypages.com...

For Christians (well, and everyone else, too) one of the best is C.S. Lewis (same guy who wrote the Narnia series)
www.philosophyofreligion.info...

...and a return to Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org...

So... let me recommend those to you instead.

Another urban legend, here...


Actually, the more educated you are, the more liberal you vote and the more liberal your philosphies are. And I'm pretty sure that both parties had a hand in "dumbing down" the educational system, as did parents (the "my kid CAN'T flunk" group. Let me tell you, I heard THAT more often from very wealthy Republicans than from working class Democrats).

actually all the examples I have seen of biblical plagiarism are taken from Akkadian texts
but then
Akkad was the first semitic civilisation of any note on earth
people generally try to link Biblical texts with Babylonian works and then claim AHA there is no proof of this then feel smug
well there wouldn't be would there
you'd hardly glorify the civilisation that proved your god was irrelevant by taking your whole nation as slaves

but the one before that
hmmm
might be worth a try eh Ezekial