Who Can Prove or Disprove?

Ok. Here's a plan. Who, here at the world's biggest conspiracy forum, can prove or disprove the whole extraterrestrial-Reptillian/Illuminati-thing? Break it down into smaller parts if you want, but be sure to give fact and sources if at all possible. Maybe this belongs in the debate forum, but oh well. Have at it! And thanks in advance to everyone.

If any of these things...aliens/illuminati could be solidly proven, they wouldn't be consipiracy theories anymore and we wouldn't be having all these great discussions about them.

cheers,

StickyG

It's not up to non-believers to disprove the theory; it's up to Icke to prove it. I don't really see how he can do this until I see someone turn into a giant lizard.

Originally posted by StickyG
If any of these things...aliens/illuminati could be solidly proven, they wouldn't be consipiracy theories anymore and we wouldn't be having all these great discussions about them.

cheers,

StickyG

Oh? There's ample "proof" that 9-11 is a con job, and the whole idea of terrorism as it stands is a facade, and our own government are the conners, with their "elite" backers. But of course, no matter how much evidence exists, those in power are able to cover it up from the ignorant masses, because the masses would rather believe the "feel good" lie than know the "undesirable" truth. So yes, if people wanted truth, they would seek it AND find it - but they do not. After all, human nature is service to self, and if truth isn't pleasurable but instead, causes you to go into panic, confusion, and fear, it is in our nature to disregard it, to shove it under the rug - and replace it with a feel good lie, or a half-truth! And of course, the elite who run this "joint" (planet) will always be there to help us with that!

Thus far, thinking that our fearless leaders don't love us and do everything in our best interest, is a CONSPIRACY THEORY to most people! To some people, telling them that bush is a liar is ALSO a conspiracy theory, even though many others are now starting to "catch on". I hope this demonstrates the fluidity of the word "proof", where you only see that which you WISH to see, and no amount of evidence will ever prove anything to you unless you choose to see OBJECTIVE reality, instead of hiding in your own subjective feel-good world, promoted by your leaders, as they control you and the world at large. So yup, it's upto the individual to decide for themselves, no one can prove anything to you, though everyone tries anyway, in hopes you'll accept their version of the proof as THE proof - yet there's no such thing. The truth exists, but it is just as easy to prove a falsity as it is to prove a truth to someone who isn't really seeking truth.

For example, notice anything "odd" about Fahrenheit 9-11? Do you think TRUTH can ever be publically shown in a world that is run on lies, and owned/controlled by liars, who are out for money and power? Partial truth yes, which then gets mixed with a lie - which makes for a far better disinformation than just a single lie, because that single truth will be coupled with the lie as one and the same, in the mind of the receiver (the populace). This effectively eliminates the ability of the receiver to understand the truth and use it to research further truths, and when someone brings up this truth ALONE by itself, without the lie, the lie will now automatically be recalled in the mind of the receiver, as it is now permanently linked to the truth.

The Truth: Bush lied.
The Lie: Elect Kerry, he's better, he won't lie!

The FULL Truth: Both are puppets, both will continue the same overall plan, the same foreign policy, they are both bought and paid for by the "elite" - they are 2 sides of the same coin. Not to mention, the elite also serve someone else's purpose, but that's outside the realm of this reply. This is a false solution (electing Kerry), but once again it is easily implemented because the people do not seek truth, they are waiting to be FED the mass media's version of truth, and just like sheep, will do what they are told, conditioned, and programmed to do.



The Truth: Our government was irresponsible during 9-11, they failed to act and protect the nation in that grave moment.

The Catch: This is a loaded statement. It makes the assumption that the government isn't complicit in the crime itself! It is the same as "Does your mama know that you are gay?". Either answer already implies that you're gay! This mind trick works on the populace, it confuses the mind, and very few realise how controlled and programmed they truly are - they only think what they are SUGGESTED to think.

The FULL truth: The government assisted the Mossad/CIA in creating the 2nd "Reichstag fire" (9/11), which allowed them to gain control of 2 countries, and install puppet government in one - effectively protecting Israeli interests and furthering plans that they created LONG before 911. What plans? Stay tuned...

In addition, they instilled fear in the entire population, and created strong feelings of patriotism, which means the public will support anything the government wishes to do, including mass murder of other nations and taking away the freedoms at home, for our own "security"! What better strategy is there than to CREATE AN ENEMY, and then fight your own fictitious creation, which gives you many new powers at home and abroad! This strategy has been utilized much throughout history, by dictatorships and "pretend democracies" alike!

The key is to try to see what possible connection these "aliens", Illuminati, other secret organizations, our "elite", our government, and current and historic events have in common. Once you begin to notice patterns, cycles, and connections, a much clearer picture begins to emerge. It's like a giant jigsaw puzzle, it is ALL connected! The more pieces you assimilate, the more it begins to make sense, and the more you begin to understand. It is hard to "prove" many of these things separately from one another, as they are so intimately linked! And this proof cannot be done by anyone but yourself, if you indeed seek to KNOW.

To seek to know doesn't mean seek to prove, or seek to disprove. This would be a predetermined conclusion, which will just get you stuck. Make no assumptions, just open your mind and choose to understand, and put in the effort to connect the dots, and you will understand. Because most people do not really seek truth, they make a BELIEF/ASSUMPTION and then try to PROVE their belief, which inevitably stagnates their progress, until they are able to LET GO of this belief and simply ask, "WHAT IS THE TRUTH" and be open enough to receive ANYTHING that comes, as you begin your search.

The author of this thread is frustrated, he sees so much talk of aliens/illuminati etc but fails to actually find this "proof" that will solidify it for him once and for all, one way or the other. This "solidity" will not happen without personal effort on your part, and doesn't just mean pure research into this subject. It also means effort to eliminate beliefs that you have in regard to this area, and being able to openly seek the answers, without reservation. This effort will expand your mind, and with this expansion you will simply begin to SEE that which currently eludes you - you will begin to think outside your present box, and the answer to your questions will be very clear to you - if you're indeed asking.

Thus far, you're not asking. You want "proof", while no such thing exists. You establish your own "proof", by attaining knowledge and seeing the "BIGGER PICTURE", and the bigger picture is something strikingly different than the sum of its parts. And you cannot see it by looking at the individual parts in isolation, which is why you're so confused and not sure how to "prove" this to yourself, so you ask OTHERS to do it for you in hopes that this will do it. Learn to depend on yourself, not on others, because it is YOUR effort and your own awareness that will allow you to understand, not someone else's awareness.

Sorry if that was a bit confusing, it is hard to put into words. Hope this helps

-Mike

[edit on 11-7-2004 by lilblam]

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