Wikileaks - First Leaks Revealed

Originally posted by squirelnutz
reply to post by closetnerd

 

ever hear of Prison Planet?

Super disinfo for the 'enlightened'

Prison Planet? I have huge faith in humanity, those that would imprison physically have more sense than try to. There may be sites on the net that would love you to believe that a total collapse of civilisation is on the cards and that we will all be rounded up into fema camps based on our beliefs. I dont believe that would happen, there are easier ways to keep us imprisoned.
I think disinfo is what you want it it be, I might be a disinfo agent!!! But honestly what would be the point of putting it out on here? I only speak from the issues raised in the wikileaks, those cant be denied, whether the govs have planted those items I cannot say, my hunch is that have not.

reply to post by closetnerd

Maybe I spoke too soon
" Assange's details were also added to Interpol's worldwide wanted list. Dated 30 November, the entry reads: "sex crimes" and says the warrant has been issued by the international public prosecution office in Gothenburg, Sweden. "If you have any information contact your national or local police." It reads: "Wanted: Assange, Julian Paul," and gives his birthplace as Townsville, Australia."

What a joke!! Keep safe Julian!!!

reply to post by ianmoone1

After many years experience with forums - I've made it a practice not to respond to posters such as yourself.
Only today I copped a PM - in which I explained why I don't waste my time, on cointelpro operatives such as yourself.

It's very simple.

You spend your time attacking me personally - not the facts that I've presented, in order to attempt to desperately discredit me personally, and thus by association, the material I published!.

As ever, I'm mobile so responding to you is going to take a few posts. Its them damn secret squirrel meets I have to attend that prevent me from using the nice warm office & its phat light pipe!
If you've the experience you claim, you'll be familiar with the expression "Quote Me". As a noob to ATS, you may not've noticed there's a member tool which allows us to view just 1 member's contribution to a thread. It'll make it simple for you to back up the claims I've quoted above. Of course, it also makes it simple for others to discover that the only thing I said about you personally was in 1 single instance: that you've an agenda which is not to deny ignorance & that assertion was backed by a reasonable description of your contribution to this thread. What can also be found is a couple of instances where I've challenged what you describe as "facts" & more where I've pointed out that, even were your claims factual, your wild conclusions dont logically stem from them. That is me attacking your argument, not you.

What's hilarious is that in the very same post you attempt to falsely characterise my input herein as purely ad hominem, you then go on to ad hom me in a fashion that is not only preposterous (& if I can think of a way to stay on topic whilst demonstrating how preposterous, I may do so), but just like these leaks show about the USA: you dont like what I say, but being powerless to stop me, you have no resort but pejorative language.

reply to post by ianmoone1

Your being paid for your destructive/spoiling role, whilst I offer factual evidence and allow the reader to make up their own mind.

In short your actions transparently belie your agenda - and theres no need for me to defend myself to you. People are generally smart enough to spot such cointelpro agents as yourself, who need to drag others down to your own intellectual level in order to atempt to appear smarter than you actually are - because thats what your govt paymasters tell you to do!.You've never had an original thought of your own, and todaysnot going to change that position.

In short your a mental midget not worthy of the bandwidth or my time.

Bugger it! If this crap can be left up by the mods, my response is legitimate.

As I pointed out in my last post, there is nothing "destructive/spoiling" about my contribution herein & any fellow ATSers can verify that for themselves. What I've done is call you out for talking crap. Repeating yourself doesn't make what you say any more true.
If there's no need to defend yourself, why are you even replying? Again, busted for logical fallacy. Indeed readers can make up their own minds, by the simple expedient of reviewing our past histories. Oops! You dont have much to review. Nevermind, ATSers can type my username into the search box & discover for themselves whether everything I've ever typed here adds up to a truthful representation of who I am & what my opinions are, or whether I created my account early last year & perpetuated an entirely false persona just so that I would have credibility when, 18months+ later,
I would need to stand on my track record to show you to be a liar.
As for "mental midget" etc. fellow ATSers can review my input & decide for themselves whether this assertion is true: I am cursed with an IQ in the top few% of humanity, but not sufficiently bright to be serene. I employ a PA b/c of this.

Oops! I was running out of mobile character count, so I didn't explain that last point well enough for the intellectually challenged to be in no doubt as to what I meant. Damn it, I had to go to a special tree for a dead letter drop for my secret instructions. Worse: its snowing!

The reason I employ a PA is b/c my personal experience backs up the scientific research that a difference of 30 IQ points creates such a different experience of reality that no functional communication is actually possible. My PA is a saint. She translates what I mean into language fools can understand & simultaneously provides me with insights into why they cant grasp the obvious. In some ways I'm in love with her, but despite the fact that those of us who were cursed with a high IQ have no use for the morality thats necessary to keep the rest of you from destroying everything, thus she, my business partners, many of our contacts & I, have sex lives that compare favourably with rabbits, she & I dont do each other. Why? B/c it'd interfere with business.
Why mention it? B/c, just as these leaks show that there are fools making decisions based on emotion more than logic, if my PA & I, who often share a hotel bed so that we can cream off a little expenses money, can resist our natural urges for damn good reasons, then I would like to think that the people who are part of the chain of command that could end the whole lot of us with nuclear warfare were @least 1/2 as intelligent.

These leaks show they aren't.

reply to post by ianmoone1Its 07:58 as I start this reply. My g/f wants more attention than I'm giving her. There are reasons for that. If you check my ATS media account, there are a couple of pics I turned into avatars during a debate in which sexuality was an issue. She's 23, a pro dancer & part time lingerie model. Look @the pics & decide for yourself if I'm lying, then consider what I've been doing in the time until I finish this post.

So - just when was it again, that you stopped beating your wife?

Go away little boy - your well outta your league. ;o)

Actually the only time I came close to beating my wife was during the last 8months of our 17yr marriage when she hit me with a spice-rack. I lost it momentarily & slammed her against a wall. Her fear shocked me back to myself by reminding me of incidents during my childhood. Shortly after the immediate shame came the understanding of just what would've happened to me had I allowed my emotions to dictate my behaviour any further. Hmmm, I feel another parallel coming on...
The USA likes to present itself, especially to its own citizens, as the most powerful nation on Earth, just as you've attempted to portray yourself as better than me. According to these leaks, US intel ops believed that North Korea supplied missiles to Iran via China, just as you've made pejorative claims about me. The USA asked China to stop it: you cant simply ask me to leave you alone, but instead do so by attempted ridicule. The Chinese told the USA to shove it. Guess what I'm telling you?

As it happens, my ex-wife is also a part-time lingerie model, but far from even starting to beat her, I haven't stopped bonking her, even tho we've been divorced 5yrs. My ex g/f & current belle know this & join in when invited (we're all bi). I've 3 adult children, 4 degrees, my own business & have trodden on all continents except antarctica. Little boy? References to all of this are on ATS.

¶2. (S) Post notes there is as yet no direct evidence of GOP involvement in the attack, although the press is reporting that India has captured at least one militant of Pakistani origin. We believe the UK here is overreacting but agree a coordinated message urging concrete GOP action against LeT would be welcome. If the militant plan was to ensure that the Pakistan Army would not shift troops from the eastern border to the tribal areas, the horrific Mumbai attacks may have succeeded. End Summary.

cablegate....__._/cable/2008/11/08ISLAMABAD3716.html

interesting take on the mumbai attacks. an actual strategy? more people were involved in this than those suspected and those convicted i think

Hmmm. I can't reach WikiLeaks again. Is there any mirror server? Or does anyone know the password for the insurance file? It would be better to read all these thing as a whole then continuously waiting for the next day, while WL is continuously getting DDoS attacks.

After Mumbai, UK hands intelligence dossier to President Zardari

UK passed the same Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) info to Zardari that they previously had passed to ISI. Zardari's response was positive; he said ISI had to follow up and this was an opportunity. He criticized the Indians for statements that pushed Islamabad to make a defensive response and "made my job harder." He urged the UK to push back on New Delhi and calm the situation.

Miliband described ISI MG Pasha as a welcome "new broom" and expressed UK support for ISI reform. Zardari said the new ISI leaders were "straightforward" and their roles were proscribed by the constitution, but it would take time for real conversions.

Pakistan opposition 'tipped off' Mumbai terror group

Pakistan's president alleged that the brother of Pakistan's opposition leader, Nawaz Sharif, "tipped off" the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) about impending UN sanctions following the 2008 Mumbai attacks, allowing the outfit to empty its bank accounts before they could be raided.

Six weeks after LeT gunmen killed more than 170 people in Mumbai, President Asif Ali Zardari told the US of his "frustration" that Sharif's government in Punjab province helped the group evade new UN sanctions.

A month earlier, Shahbaz Sharif, who is chief minister of Punjab, "tipped off" the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), LeT's charity wing, "resulting in almost empty bank accounts", Zardari claimed in a conversation with the US ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson.

The first positive change:

www.wftv.com...

It's small, but is a start. Thanks to Wikileaks for this much at least. But I'm hopping for far bigger changes than just this.

reply to post by ianmoone1Ok, just as Julian has revealed the kind of thing US diplomats say about foreigners in private, I have a little insight for you all about ianmoone1.

Sent to me by U2U
from: ianmoone1
sent: 1/12/10 at 23:36
Hah - 4 replies in a row - your even more insecure than i thought... they make you look like a childish 16 year old jacking off alone in front of his puter.

OOps - a little to close to the truth eh?

Your next sex (with anyone but yourself) - will be your first!

Guess the truth hurts eh!

Keep going Buttwipe members can see thru you like glass..

Indeed I intend to keep going. As it happens, my sex life has been relevant to discussion on ATS before. Members can check my posting history for themselves & decide whether the facts that I have posted about disliking porn & having a stable of subs who enjoy being told what to do to each other & me for my gratification is truthful & whether this info corresponds with my expressed opinions, or whether its an elaborate hoax I've been perpetrating for ages for F-knows what reason. They can also find the reasons why I dont use desktop machines to access ATS & why, although it may seem like I'm online, sometimes I'm actually busy doing something else or sleeping.
Hint: I use a mobile device which is part of an intranet of such devices belonging to my business partners, 2 of our employees & I. TBH, I dont fully understand how it works, but my mate who's an ubernerd says its secure.
The upside is that nobody can easily find out where I actually am b/c it always appears I'm in the same cell of mobile access. The downsides are a limited character count & that I cant access video content on this device unless I choose to go over the bandwidth my monthly fee provides. Hey ho! The consequences of being hacked could be catastrophic for us. We just dont have the resources of Julian Assange, so we make do with what we can.

reply to post by Bunken Drum


You would do well to remove that U2U ...... it is a violation of T& C


Just a heads-up !

reply to post by ianmoone1Yeah, here's me keeping on. Why? B/c ATS fulfills 2 important criteria in my strategy for dealing with RL & is thus somewhat precious to me. Your use of a racial epithet, for which you haven't apologised, bugged me. There are many ATSers opinions that bug me, but I can only deal with so much @a time. You're currently "it". Unlike the USA which these leaks show is powerless to do anything but complain about the activities of its self-induced enemies, just like you're powerless to stop me pwning you, I can remain on topic & trounce your failed arguments simultaneously, just as China can avoid nuclear armageddon & pwn the USA.

This is the first and last response you will get from me on this forum from here forth on any subject now or in the future effectively on my ignore list.

As I've said, I dont think you're a cointelpro b/c, whilst such people must have an IQ below about 135 or be a risk to their employer, they must also have training that'd include something like "How not to get pwned online 101". I could be wrong, in which case, the above quote would be the result of your superior telling you "You're pwned. Leave it." However, since you had nothing with which to refute me in public but your pride couldn't let it go, just as these US officials couldn't resist attempting to bolster their egos by characterising their opposition negatively in private b/c there's bugger all they can actually do, we've seen you had to insult me via U2U. A professional would be used to being pwned & console themselves with their bank balance.

This comparison does draw the professionalism of US diplomats into question. Are they political science experts? Are they political appointees, ie "yes-men"? Are they there as a result of simple nepotism? These are some of the important questions that need answers, regardless of whether these leaks shed any light on aliens or bigfoot: their stupidity could kill us!

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by Bunken Drum

 

You would do well to remove that U2U ...... it is a violation of T& C


Just a heads-up !

I'll leave it to the mods to decide whether however out of order I am is more important than the points I'm making.
A big part of what we have here is a discussion about foolishness expressed in communications assumed to be private (I intend to get to why some of the revealed opinions are patently foolish shortly). We've also had speculation that such behaviour is simply natural. Its my contention that whilst it is natural for fools to be foolish, which I've illustrated by quoting that U2U, that doesn't mean we should be unconcerned about it. These people could cause war FFS!

ok im not new to the site but i am new to being a member. i get on daily and see what everybody thinks and has to say about the nervwrecking times that are happening now and what are thought to lie ahead. that said:

what if the next wikileaks documents released let out intel that the south korean ship supposedly sunk by a north korean torpedo was in fact somebody else's? it just makes me curious. when i hear two sided stories i always like to think what-if's and the possibilities. just what-if............they said they didnt do it. Any thoughts on who else it would have been? Do you think wikileaks would release the country's identity if that were the case?

everyone that is on Tv is a puppet of the bilderberg...

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
I'll leave it to the mods to decide whether however out of order I am is more important than the points I'm making.
A big part of what we have here is a discussion about foolishness expressed in communications assumed to be private (I intend to get to why some of the revealed opinions are patently foolish shortly). We've also had speculation that such behaviour is simply natural. Its my contention that whilst it is natural for fools to be foolish, which I've illustrated by quoting that U2U, that doesn't mean we should be unconcerned about it. These people could cause war FFS!

Springer : Site Owner

Effective immediately U2Us are NOT to be posted or publically displayed in any way without the written permission of the author.

NEW POLICY regarding U2Us (PRIVATE messages)


Advising that .......

If you receive "off color", illegal or threatening U2Us you are certainly encouraged to post in the non public Complaints forum or pass them on to any staff member for appropriate action to be taken. Springer...

From the following thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

Despite the flak that will surely be coming my way for this comment, I am still convinced that, even in a freely elected government, secrets must be kept. Here's an old analogy: politics is a game of poker - suddenly revealing the hand of a player would be disastrous. Revealing war crimes, civilian deaths, and the like (i.e the Iraq/Afghan war logs) are fine in my book, as they bring to light what wrong is being done.

The idea of releasing diplomatic cables just to incite interest and debate is, however, quite absurd. The past 38 pages have been nothing but pure speculation and "oooh aaaah look at what they are saying." I have yet to find anything in the most recent leaks that are 1) truly surprising or 2) newsworthy. Why do we have to know what leaders think of each other? A good government cannot operate if everyone knew exactly what they were planning on doing. There are too many people on this site that hold idealistic beliefs - the fact of the matter is that as nice as it would be to have every human being be open and respectful and honest, that is not the case.

If you want to gain information, if you want to make change, get off the computer and go be a statesman. You can't change a system by being an idle observer. I'm rambling now.

Britain writes to the US asking for full details of all rendition flights over its territory so that ministers can weigh up whether they "put the UK at risk of being complicit in unlawful acts".

www.guardian.co.uk...

The US and UK are at loggerheads over rendition flights. The UK warns that human rights concerns over the flights might jeopardise future use of British territory.

www.guardian.co.uk...

There are so many wiki threads it is getting confusing, I don't have enough posts to create a thread but it would be great to have one about his next 'banking release'. please could someone post one

Apologies as this is off topic.