Michael Moore vs. the Carlyle Group, 1984 style.

media chess?(link)

what temperature does film burn at? it's michael moore vs. the ministry of truth.

phoof! first disney, ...and now they've sunken to a new loew(link)

Carlyle Group has more than $17 billion in assets under management. It was founded in 1987. Its directors have included former President George Bush, Colin Powell, James Baker and former British Prime Minister John Major.

[edit on 23-6-2004 by billybob]

[edit on 24-6-2004 by billybob]

okay, i haven't said enough. think about it. the carlyle group(of p**cks), has purchased the theatre chain in which 'fahrenheit 911' is to be screened. so, like disney did, they could put the kibosh on it, ...if they move quick enough.
maybe i should have put this in the 'there is no NWO' thread.

Something Mike forgets is that Bush absolutely slaughtered the Challenger artillery piece manufactured and pushed along by who else but the Carlyle Group.

Sometimes connections are blown out of preportions.

Wait I forget thats Michael's Moore style.

I believe the Crusader cut does show some evidence of a not-so-strong connection between the Carlyle croup and the Bush administration, but its interesting to note this:

1994-Crusader contract awarded to United Defense

In 1997, United Defense was purchased by the Carlyle Group, a Washington, D.C., investment partnership formed in 1987 by David Rubenstein, a former aide to President Jimmy Carter; Daniel A. D'Aniello, former vice president of Finance for Marriott Inc.; and William Conway, former CFO for MCI Communications. The Group now manages more than $16 billion in investments through some 300 employees in 12 offices around the world. Investors include the government of Singapore, Kuwait Investment Authority and state pension funds of California and Florida.

United Defense launched a major lobbying offensive in 1998 on behalf of the Crusader. Among the lobbyists employed by the company were former Indiana Senator Dan Coats (who sat on the Senate Armed Services Committee) and former Texas Representative Marvin Leath

In 2001, the Pentagon modified the Crusader contract to upgrade the system. After the announcement, the Carlyle Group took United Defense public, picking up several million dollars in stock though it remained the company's primary shareholder. Five months later, however, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that the contract would be canceled because of the anachronistic nature of the heavy weapon, and United Defense stock prices fell 27 percent.

And President Bush is scheduled to open the funding spigot today, when he signs a defense appropriation bill that includes $487.3 million for the Crusader in 2002.

Between January 2001 and July 2003, the company spent $6.7 million lobbying Congress on issues such as Defense Department appropriations bills, particularly "legislation regarding defense weapons, systems and technologies" and "provisions regarding military modernization and procurement," as well as procurement law reform.

Many people were calling to scrap the Crusader project, and despite that it was:

"Carlyle's aggressive approach . . . is one reason why the Crusader lived this long," said Lawrence J. Korb, an assistant secretary in the Reagan Pentagon and now director of studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Even if Rumsfeld's decision stands, Korb said, United still will have received $2 billion from the Crusader program and will receive substantially more to close it down.

Even then, however, the Crusader's critics were making their case that the system was too heavy for the air transport required for modern warfare, saying it was conceived essentially for fighting a major ground war in Europe.

Don't forget that when the Crusader was cancelled, the United group was offered another contract that very same day. Everyone was surprised the Crusader was lasting that long, apparently it couldn't even fit on a plane because of its weight.

BTW, Bush is no longer on the board...

it's happening everywhere. government contracts are awarded to government buddies. the old boy network again. money, money, money. paid for development, and then later to cancel contracts(for stupid ideas poorly excecuted).
who wins? a few rich illuminati pricks. who loses? everyone else.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Everyone was surprised the Crusader was lasting that long, apparently it couldn't even fit on a plane because of its weight.

You are correct. It was an oversized piece of Cold War junk that serves no purpose in todays military.

I dont doubt there exists major ties between this administration and the military industrial complex.

Look at Paul Wolfowitz, he was a board member at Northrop Grumman and Hughes and they just received the green light to replace the aging F-14s with the F-18E. Grumman makes the airframe and Hughes provides the Avionics. Not a coincedence in my book.