A boat wich strangely look like a plane...

Originally posted by ValueJudgement
Greetings all.

i stand corrected flying wings were not invented by russians or by the US but by the germans. however a little looking into what you just said brigs up this:

...Reimar and Walter Horten were a step ahead, testing an all-wing sailplane in 1933...

so they ARE related. i gather the difficulty was in finding a suitable area to land in for such a massive aircraft.

whethere it lands on water or on land is inconsequential as the main thing is that flying wing tech is a loong running project.

Ok, reality check: 1,2,3..

SAILPLANE IS A UNPOWERED AEROPLANE. has nothing to do with water.. they are towed airborne by other planes or car/ground equipment.


Horten H 1 SAILPLANE.

Originally posted by ValueJudgement
Greetings all.
bah, i might as well correct myself b4 someone else does it. it appeares that flying wing tech is even older that the Hoten brothers:

Beginning in the late 1920s, Jack Northrop, founder of Northrop Aircraft Co. (known today as Northrop Grumman), led the design of several military planes based on the flying-wing design. Later, Northrop's company was one of those contracted by the U.S. Army Air Corps to build a longer-range bomber during World War II. Northrop delivered the YB-49.

All "US" flying wings are after Horten inventions. Bad copies that never made it, exept B-2.. but that was way later. 50 Years or more..

Horten supposedly actually got to flight testing, and one of their planes (Horten IX?) flew at 950kph. There were no stability problems reported, and it used the split drag rudder arrangement that the B-2 uses (and the YF-23, to an extent). In fact, the Horten IX can be regarded as the first stealth aircraft - it had low RCS (except the leading edges didn't have chines and the compressor faces were visivle), it was built largely out of wood and the engines were up top on the wing, shielding them from the ground. Very much like our common or garden variety Boeing special...

As for this thing, it reminds me of one of the entries for the Amerikabomber program. Obviously, this is some kind of civilian transport variant.

The sheer size of the thing would mean it could only really land on water... landing gear would be massive and bulky. Boeing's Phantom Works is working on a huge ground-effect plane roughly that size.

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Lampyridae]

Here it is airborne in 1944

Horten IX also known as HO 229.

I can't even see what kind of powerplant is pushing the thing. Those six engines are way too small. If that's the bridge you also couldn't look out the sides of the aircraft. It could never fly, anyway, not without some sort of anti-gravity doing the pushing. I'd agree with the notion that it's some sort of Sci-Fi prop.

Nans, there's a website that may interest you:

www.luft46.com...

...if you haven't seen it already.

Sweet. Is that the glider? I know they had successful flights of the glider variants. The Allies found a half-built powered one in a hangar. There was also another gull-winged flying wing developed by somebody else... they got as far as a wooden mockup. It had pusher props, a remote-controlled rear turret cannon - something like the plane you saw in Raiders oof the Lost Ark

It is this the "thing" that is flying in the other photo.

And it flew under its own power.
Powered by 2x same kind of jet engines found in Me-262 and Ar-234.. (Jumo 004..)

And btw, does this look it look or sound like glider.. NO!!! Its was a Fighter Bomber prototype that did flew.. (2 of them did.. many times..)

So, that engineer was right, they did fly. O-ficially, they never flew. And it's taken good ol' Boeing guys 40 years to crack the secret of tailless flight. Goering's godless goose-steppers did it in 4. Hey, Fulcrum, d'you know anything about the Manta and the Davis wing? I can't find jack on it on the net. The prohect was cancelled under "mysterious circumstances"
Wooo....

Where'd you dig up that pic anyway? All I can find are CGI pics and pictures of a half-built prototype, plus that mutilated hulk now in a museum.

[Edited on 10-9-2003 by Lampyridae]

tanks45.tripod.com...

From there you will find more facts about Horten.

and..

www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...

"Black Bullet"

www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...

Disk shaped fighter.

And i have seen somewhere some good photos about the "Manta".. just cant find em right now.

I dont know, but it kind of looks like a B-2, which was actually created by the Germans to bomb New York. Maybe its a prototype that someone took a picture of, restored, and published. The water landing would probably be beneficial. I think I may be right, but maybe not. Oh well.

Trust me, you couldnt be more wrong..
Just stick to my story when it comes to aeroplanes.. and youll get far..

Yeah, the "flying pancake." Another potential wonder consigned to the history books. Its stalling speed was ridiculously slow, handled like a dream and was tough as nails.
But then the old US Navy got a taste for jet fighters... got a taste for the mundane. Booooo Result: this gets cancelled. They had a tough time wrecking it as well (well, the half-built jet/prop combo prototype).

originally posted by: FaithDefender
I dont know, but it kind of looks like a B-2, which was actually created by the Germans to bomb New York. Maybe its a prototype that someone took a picture of, restored, and published. The water landing would probably be beneficial. I think I may be right, but maybe not. Oh well.

This thread may be 19 years old, but to answer your question, the Horten brothers' design for a long-range flying wing bomber you mention was the Horten Ho XVIII. The first design of this aircraft had six turbojets buried in the center wing section, while a later configuration had four turbojets and a four-wheel retractable landing gear housed in underwing pods.

Link:
www.luft46.com...
www.luft46.com...