As announced in my last post, I am going to examine how scientifically Intelligent Design is.
And in the same course we will take a closer look on “religion” versus “science”, since Intelligent Design is a theological concept.
You all know when approaching to a new subject it is very good to define the major topics of it.
So what does religion and what does science mean, in general. Usually everybody got her own interpretation, especially for the term religion.
1b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Aha, religion deals with beliefs, with practicing the beliefs, with faith, and God or supernatural is included.
We also know that religion deals a lot with symbols, like the cross in Christian belief, or the star of David, or the wheel in Buddhism.
In religion we usually find a certain code of moral and ethic and a way to look at the world. I know that religion is a very complex subject and I am
only able to touch it very, very briefly.
But I guess we all got a concept what religion could mean.
You know that there are many faiths and religions on this planet. We got Buddhism, we got the Christian faith, Islam, Hinduism and many more, even
pagan faiths. All faiths got certain stories and myths, which explain the origin of earth and mankind to the believers, as those of Christian origin
will find it in the 1st book of Moses, which is also called Genesis
. It deals with the assumed origin of mankind, as the Jews pre-Christian
times imagined it.
Other cultures, other faiths got their own ideas about the beginning of the world, about the origin of mankind. Just remember the famous epic of
Gilgamesh, which was also partial a base of the so-called Old Testament.
Most faiths got their roots in ancient times. And most faiths got similar myths about the origin of mankind, who are usually created by God or the
boss of all Gods.
Why? Humans in ancient times didn’t know what we know today. They didn’t got the means, we got today, to explain the world. They had to belief in
miracles, in supernatural powers, in myths.
This is not necessary anymore! Yeah folks, we got science
. Still not perfect, but we can measure and verify what we see, what we experience.
1: the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
3 a: knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through
scientific method b: such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena : natural science
Now dear neformore we are back to your Socratic question of reply #1 – yeah religion and science are polar opposites. As I stated above religion
deals with the supernatural, with God, with miracles and myths. Science on the contrary means knowledge
My dear opponent might claim, that religion might also contain a certain knowledge, but this knowledge can’t be measured, you just have to
Socratic Question to neformore:
SQ 1: Can you tell me how the pretensions of Intelligent Design can be proven by means of the phyical world, measured and tested by scientific methods
as we know them from physics, chemistry and biology?
SQ2: If it can be measured, are the results repeatable, and do we get every time the same result?
Science deals with researches, with systematic. Science wants to gain more knowledge, verify this knowledge, and let us understand how things work.
You observe; you phrase a theory, than you will be able to get a particular prediction. This is called the inductive understanding.
Intelligent Design: science or religious theory?
As we have seen before, Intelligent Design claims that we, the universe and everything else was created with the help of a designer. It can be clearly
compared to an artist, who creates a statue.
But if everything was designed, it brings up another Socratic Question to neformore:
SQ3: If nature and mankind was designed by a supernatural power, or by God, why is it so imperfect?
When I am talking about imperfect humans, I am referring to people wearing glasses, to disease like cancer, to the fact that eating meat creates
certain male functions in the human body, to vestigial organs. 3
SQ4: If everything was created, why does the human embryo, like embryos of other species, passes through different stages of evolution?
After all, there is no way to test the theories of Intelligent Design with scientific methods. But you can find many proves, which sustain the theory
Originally posted by neformore
It is actually about science (and Orange will apparently be trying to prove me wrong in her next post!) - but its not about current science -
its about what we are attempting as a race to develop.
I am still waiting for the proof that Intelligent Design is really science. Neformore tells us, it is not about current science. But about what
science? Some mystic science? Some future science?
Maybe it is a miracle after all – which would prove for sure that it is about religion. How can you test miracles? How can you repeat them?
Maybe we should take a closer look at the Discovery Institute, whose members are behind the concept of Intelligent Design.
Discovery Institute and its Purpose concerning Intelligent Design
The Discovery Institute is a so-called think tank. It is regarded to be conservative. It was founded in 1990 and is based in Seattle, Washington, USA.
The majority of the management can be called Christian-conste
Among other projects the Discovery Institute and its Center for Science and Culture support more than anything else the Intelligent Design movement.
They are publishing books, which should be used in classrooms, they produce movies, and they even give legal advices to school districts, who wish to
educate Intelligent Design, as it happened in the case Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District
. This case as the case of Edwards_v._Aguillard, we have watched before, was decided in
favor of the prosecutor, and the judge barred Intelligent Design from classrooms in the very Pennsylvanian School District as they had banned
creationism in the Aguillard case from Louisianan schools.
So what is the real purpose of the Discovery Institute?
Actually they are performing what we call lobbying. The members of the Discovery Institute promote the idea of educating Intelligent Design at
schools, in all schools in the USA.
The primarily and most important document, if you going to understand the aims of the Discovery Institute, is the so called “Wedge
Lets see what kind of goals the wedge, which consists of 3 phases dealing with “scientific research, publicity and opinion making
cultural confrontation and renewal” promotes:
To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God
They clearly aim to push a wedge between empirical science and naturalism, and to replace this with a so-called theistic realism.
Has it really nothing to do with God dear neformore? I really doubt that! It has everything to do with God and the way the bible claims earth was
The Wedge Document was published in 1999. In 2005 the Centers for the Renewal of Science and Culture (CRSC) which belongs to the Discovery Institute
Another goal of the wedge strategy should be achieved in 20 years:
To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.
Looks a bit as if they want to get rid of the First Amendment of the Constitution, and want to abandon separation from church and state. Not the best
Finally I am going to reply to neformore’s Socratic Question:
SQ1. Where does human consciousness come from?
I told you I don’t believe in God or a higher institution or a super natural power. Which is true.
In my opinion we are spiritual beings, who live forever. Our bodies die and we live on an reincarnate if we desire. So my consciousness is part of me
as a spiritual being, not a part of my body! And my consciousness comes from me. I don’t know where your consciousness comes from; the answer to
this question is up to you.