That Was No Small War in Georgia -- It Was the Beginning of the End of the American Empire

Another lost war from US - Georgia - "A Bridge Too Far?"

Tskhinvali, South Ossetia

-- On the sunny afternoon of August 14, a Russian army colonel named Igor Konashenko is standing triumphantly at a street corner at the northern edge of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, his forearm bandaged from a minor battle injury. The spot marks the furthest point of the Georgian army's advance before it was summarily crushed by the Russians a few days earlier. "Twelve Georgian battalions invaded Tskhinvali, backed by columns of tanks, armored personal carriers, jets, and helicopters," he says, happily waving at the wreckage, craters, and bombed-out buildings around us. "You see how well they fought, with all their great American training -- they abandoned their tanks in the heat of the battle and fled."

Konashenko pulls a green compass out of his shirt pocket and opens it. It's a U.S. military model. "This is a little trophy -- a gift from one of my soldiers," he says. "Everything that the Georgians left behind, I mean everything, was American. All the guns, grenades, uniforms, boots, food rations -- they just left it all. Our boys stuffed themselves on the food," he adds slyly. "It was tasty." The booty, according to Konashenko, also included 65 intact tanks outfitted with the latest NATO and American (as well as Israeli) technology.

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"End of the American Empire"????

Please notice a few things:

A) Those weren't American troops leaving their equipment behind
B) Just because the US supplies and gives support to a people, does not mean it is part of the American Empire....i.e. South Korea, Japan, Israel, Columbia, etc, etc,......(all of whom disagree with US on many different things)
C) The US has, in its over 200 year history, asked only one thing from the countries it has fought for, not treasure, not resources, not slave labour, but only enough land to bury the honoured dead.
Please, do not read too much into the US giving a small, failed state some weapons and equipment and then watching them run away....not an implication of the US military or it's "Empire". Look at Iraq, they're not running away, actually they seem to be succeeding as of late?

Originally posted by Architect

C) The US has, in its over 200 year history, asked only one thing from the countries, Oil

Fixed..

Originally posted by JanusFIN
All the guns, grenades, uniforms, boots, food rations -- they just left it all. Our boys stuffed themselves on the food," he adds slyly. "It was tasty.".

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Hi friend, seems to be that they are glad to have supplies. I mean the food part. Got to feed your troups or they have to attack to get fed. I am happy that he is using a compass as they did not get any GPS units they have now. Seems our old stuff is a good reward for the ones who have not.
I must admit the war that we did not help them with, when they wanted our help, was a problem that we must live with. But if YOU think that the old stuff was ok to use and take for tropheys then have at it. I personally like the old use of fixed targets instead of a compass. I miss your threads on the market and what would the outcome be for the day.

If one would count how many times USSR and now Russian media predicted end of US - he will be very close to number of stars in the sky. There are US analysts who do the same and predict end of Russia. Both approaches are idiotic. Nobody knows what will happen. And if one will judge from what did happen in Georgian war, Georgia lost the most. Followed by Russia, not US.

JanusFIN, you really are an idiot.

Georgia had nothing to do with the USA, it had to do with Russia wanting to restablish its empire. Russia conquered Georgia over 200 years ago, and forced the Georgians to become a part of "Mother Russia". At the end of the Soviet era, the Georgians wanted their independence, and they took it.

Russi wants all of its old territories back. They want the Ukraine, Georgia and all of the other Republics back under Russian domination.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the United States. These are not American controlled areas, and never have been.

Russia refuses to allow people that do not want to be a part of the Russian empire to live freely. They will blame the United States for thier own barbaric actions. That's because the Russians are nothing more than animals, "Nekulturny", and have no respect for anyone.

Snift

How much opil does Germany have?

How much oil does South Korea have?

How much oil does France have?

How much oil did Great Britain have in the 1940's?

U.S Troops fought and died in all of those countries, and the US took nothing from any of them. Unlike Russi (the Soviet Union which was just Czarist Russia under another name) took everything that was possible to remove from Germany, Romania, Poland, Austria, etc. They stole artwork, factories, and anything else tha tthey could.

The US took NOTHING. Excpet tfor a lot of 3 foot by 7 foot plots to bury its dead soldiers.

That is FACT, not your propaganda.

Originally posted by Architect
"End of the American Empire"????

Please notice a few things:

A) Those weren't American troops leaving their equipment behind
B) Just because the US supplies and gives support to a people, does not mean it is part of the American Empire....i.e. South Korea, Japan, Israel, Columbia, etc, etc,......(all of whom disagree with US on many different things)
C) The US has, in its over 200 year history, asked only one thing from the countries it has fought for, not treasure, not resources, not slave labour, but only enough land to bury the honoured dead. Please, do not read too much into the US giving a small, failed state some weapons and equipment and then watching them run away....not an implication of the US military or it's "Empire". Look at Iraq, they're not running away, actually they seem to be succeeding as of late?

Wow what planet are you living on? US has always funded dictatorships around the globe, always asking for land/resources/votes in return, and then you step off with "Look at Iraq, they're not running away, actually they seem to be succeeding as of late? " are you in denial? Do you know what Green Zone and Red Zone is in Iraq? Do you think any non Iraqi can walk around in the country as see fit, as they could before "the coalition" decided to go to proxy war?

Take off your colored glasses and try to tune into other than MSM/US only news stations, try google civil casualties in US instigated proxy wars, especially Iraq and Afghanistan, it is a horrendous number and it is a direct violation to written words in the holy books of Christian, Muslim and Jews, actually all religions i would say.

Best regards.

Loke.

Originally posted by OldMedic
U.S Troops fought and died in all of those countries, and the US took nothing from any of them. Unlike Russi (the Soviet Union which was just Czarist Russia under another name) took everything that was possible to remove from Germany, Romania, Poland, Austria, etc. They stole artwork, factories, and anything else tha tthey could.

The US took NOTHING. Excpet tfor a lot of 3 foot by 7 foot plots to bury its dead soldiers.

That is FACT, not your propaganda.

What has happened to Iraq's missing $1bn?
The plunder of Iraq's treasures
Saddam hometown palace ruined and plundered
U.S. Soldiers 'Testify' About War Crimes

"Every war will lead to attacks on civilians. Crimes against humanity, destruction beyond the needs of military necessity, rape of civilians, plunder -- that always happens in wartime.... So my answer personally, after working for 60 years on this problem... is that you've got to stop using warfare as a means of settling your disputes." - Benjamin Ferencz, Nazi war crimes prosecutor

Enough said...

Best regards.

Loke.

Originally posted by OldMedic
Georgia had nothing to do with the USA

Except for the fact that their present leader Saakashvili (who started this war) has studied in the US, was installed into power via a coup financed by US sources, has received political and monetary help from the US government to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, has build his country's army thanks to money provided by the US, and has on multiple times met with Bush and Rice to discuss strategic and military matters.

Georgian troops have held extensive large-scale exercises with US troops less than a month before the war. Condolezza Rice met with Saakashvili just weeks before the war. At one point during the war the US navy was ready to intervene and tranfered its key military assets to the Black Sea. It has also been confirmed that over 100 American military advisors were in Georgia when the war began.

Do you still wish to argue that US had nothing to do with Georgia or this war?

Originally posted by OldMedic
it had to do with Russia wanting to restablish its empire.

If it had to do with Russia wanting to restablish its empire, Tbilisi would be under Russian control today, and Saakashvili would be rotting in an unmarked grave.

By August 13, it would not take much for Russia to conquer all of Georgia if it so wished. Russian forces were 2 hours from Tbilisi, and there was nothing in their way to taking the Georgian capital. Why didn't Russia finish the job, if what you say is true.

Somehow your "Russian Empire" theory doesn't hold up.

Originally posted by OldMedic
Russia conquered Georgia over 200 years ago

Wow - a history expert. Please give us all some details on how Russia "conquered Georgia"? A year maybe? Or just the name of the war?

Seriously - if you don't know what you are talking about - don't bother talking about it and making yourself out to be a fool.

Originally posted by OldMedic
At the end of the Soviet era, the Georgians wanted their independence, and they took it.

Abkhaz and Ossetins also wanted their independendence - from Georgia. And they took it.

Originally posted by OldMedic
Russi wants all of its old territories back.

All of them? Even Alaska? That's what I am talking about:

Tha Alaskan War of 2009, followed by the Manchuria Campaign of 2010.

Originally posted by OldMedic
They want the Ukraine, Georgia and all of the other Republics back under Russian domination.

Do you even know any other "Republics" you are talking about besides Ukraine and Georgia?

Originally posted by OldMedic
This has absolutely nothing to do with the United States. These are not American controlled areas, and never have been.

Which is precisely why US now wants a piece of the pie. Middle East has also never been an "American controlled area" prior to 1960's and 70's. And look at the mess of the place that it is currently - now that it is "American controlled area" (whatever that means).

Originally posted by OldMedic
Russia refuses to allow people that do not want to be a part of the Russian empire to live freely.

And US refuses to allow people that do not want to be a part of the US globalized empire to live freely. People around the world live in fear of the day when the good old US will come to "liberate" them.

Who does Russia not allow to live freely today? The East Germans? The Polish? The Ukrainians? The Estonians? The Czech? The Romanians? The Kazakh? The Turmen? How so?

Originally posted by OldMedic
They will blame the United States for thier own barbaric actions.

Please point out as to what barbaric action you are talking about?

Originally posted by OldMedic
That's because the Russians are nothing more than animals

We are all nothing more than animals. That's because we are animals in a sense. Do you want a biology and evolution lesson, or do you want to clear up the bigoted ethnic slur you just made? Surely someone who is "more than an animal" can explain their off color remarks.

The recent economic crisis, and the election of Barack Obama, are IMO nails in the coffin of the American Empire.

Given the current economic situation and the absence of genuine conventional military threats, it's going to be almost impossible to maintain our current level of defense spending and overseas deployments. The US military budget is going to be cut significantly, and it's going to be coming home to the US - as it should be IMO.

Georgia is a good example of "imperial overstretch", I agree.

Clearly the US encouraged the Georgian leadership to take provocative action in S. Ossetia, and just as clearly, we were in no position to back them up when the Russians said "nyet!" and invaded...

The neocons, reflexive militarists, NATO expansion proponents, and others who have encouraged US global hegemony are unlikely to find many friends over the next few years.

A shrinking economy, a President who understands the importance of "soft power", and a public fed up with seeing young Americans return from abroad in coffins all mean that the era of American hegemony is effectively over.

Good riddance.

OLDMEDIC..
you are a trully moron , educate yourself about history..

Wow- with some of the logic implied on this thread, you would think that some folks feel like it was the US fighting Russia and not Gerogia and that the same exact outcome could be surmised. Idiocy runs rampant around here...sad, just so sad.

Huh seems t be silka and andy schneider at work again after all they are really hired by steve ahlberg.. special warfare tackticks.. looks like to kill america we knew. and guys like me that fight to save it.