UFO's, the Forbidden Fruit, the Deluge, End Times, Delusion & how it all could be connected.

I put this in General because I am not trying to focus on religion or the UFO/alien topic or even cover up individually. Stories in Bible referred to are parellelled in other ancient texts; just using the bible here .

Let me start off with a disclaimer : What I am about to present here is not a definitive declaration of my beliefs.
Secondly, a disclaimer to the previously mentioned disclaimer : Neither do I denounce the belief regarding the following.

The world is full of mysteries, secrets, ideas, the miraculous, darkness, and much that has yet to be revealed. I am just thankful to be a part of the journey. Curiosity is my friend and I am eternally grateful to the great mystery of life that I see far too many people ignoring or turning into an ugly thing because of fear and their need to control their circumstances rather than their responses. The journey *is* my destination and the wisdom that I am learning through my experiences is far greater than all the gold in the universe. The following presentation is merely a fraction of my speculation regarding important key Bible moments (such as the fall of man and what the forbidden fruit could be), ufo’s and aliens, the end times, and the deceit that is taking place.

Mark 4:22 - For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Col 1:26 - Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints.

At one point, I tired of all the alien and UFO talk and even started to dismiss all claims. Then something happened. At that point, I started looking again and was amazed to see so many of reputable status coming forward with their experiences and beliefs regarding the subject. The UFO/alien visitations are not just the crazy hallucinations of rednecks doing crack; and even more astounding to me, although I know quite many of you are aware already, these crafts and beings have been reported throughout ancient history, including the Bible. I put together a brief list of SOME (certainly not all) of the accounts that I have come across lately or have come across before, just not having really taken note prior to now.

The following should give even the hardest of skeptics some pause to consider that maybe, well… you know. This does not mean that I have drawn any conclusions, mind you, but that because of these and other accounts/incidents, I am ready to consider the mystery myself. (If you do not need to be convinced to take note of what is happening in our skies, please skip to next post).

1. Dr. Edgar Mitchell… has a Bachelor of Science degree in industrial management, a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering, a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology; was in the US Navy where he trained as a pilot and flew off the aircraft carriers USS Bon Homme Richard and USS Ticonderoga; was the backup pilot for Apollo 10 and the Lunar Module pilot for Apollo 14; during Apollo 14 mission, he holds the record (along w/ Alan Shepard) for longest time walking on the moon (9 hrs. and 17 minutes); currently the Advisory Board Chairman of the Institute for Cooperation in Space, co-founded by Dr. Carol Rosin; nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005….. BASICALLY, this a man of great standing in the eyes of the world.
a. Curious to note, he admits severe reprimands for not keeping the mouth shut being dealt out by saying, “I don’t think they’re knocking anyone off anymore” (said about 7min. and 35 sec. into the interview). Geesh! www.youtube.com...
b. The following is an interview he did w/ fox news right after the previous radio interview. The radio station called NASA to get their reaction to Mitchell’s blatant statement that we are being visited. Notice his last statement at the VERY end of the interview. Also, pay attention to what he says regarding cover up; particularly the admission, “They were threatened. There was real threat You’re NOT going to talk about this.” www.youtube.com...

2. Astronaut Gordon Cooper… Marine Corps in 1945 and 1946; received flight training at Perrin AFB, Texas and Williams AFB, Arizona through Air Force in 1949; flew F-84 Thunderjets and F-86 Sabres for four years in West Germany; in 1957, received bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering; assigned to the Experimental Flight Test School at Edwards Air Force Base in California and after graduation was posted to the Flight Test Engineering Division at Edwards where he served as a test pilot and project manager testing the F-102A and F-106B; logged more than 7,000 hours of flight time, with 4,000 hours in jet aircraft; went through the selection process with the other 109 pilots and was not surprised when he was accepted as one of the first seven American astronauts for project Mercury; was backup pilot for Wally Schirra in Mercury-Atlas 8 (Sigma 7); orbited the earth 22 times and logged more time in space than all five previous Mercury astronauts combined – 34 hours, 19 minutes and 49 seconds aboard Mercury-Atlas 9 (faith 7) in May of 1963; flew as command pilot of Gemini 5 on an eight-day, 120-orbit mission; served as backup command pilot for Gemini 12; retired from NASA and the Air Force on 31 July 1970 as a colonel; served on several corporate boards and as technical consultant for more than a dozen companies in fields ranging from high performance boat design to energy, construction and aircraft design; and even was VP of research and development for Epcot (The Walt Disney Company).
a. www.youtube.com...
b. www.youtube.com... keep in mind.. this is someone who KNOWS his stuff. Just look above for this pilot’s credentials.
3. “A large number of ex high ranking officals including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numorous military defence specialists with top secret clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents; lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce, astronauts,etc... all going befor ethe national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.. never before has such a group come forward..” (the quote from the youtube discription) I have checked out the majority of the men’s credentials and they are all verified. They lay out their credentials before giving their accounts. This is an almost two hour video, but worth watching to hear the truth. www.youtube.com...
4. Former Arizona Governor: www.youtube.com...
5. Robert Dean (also gives his credentials again, which I went and verified were legit) : www.youtube.com...
6. Former Deputy Canadian Prime Minister: www.youtube.com... and
7. Former White House Chief of Staff: www.youtube.com...
8. Former Canadian Defense Minister: www.youtube.com...
9. High Ranking Military Officials discussing their experiences with UFO’s shutting down defense weapons on Larry King Live: www.youtube.com...
10. Former Presidents Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman both have claimed seeing UFO’s.
11. The UK has recently made its secret files regarding UFO sightings and military responses public. The following article is dated May 15, 2008 edition.cnn.com...
12. Another article put out on May 15, 2008 regarding the Vatican’s view: www.independent.co.uk...

And on and on and on and on it goes. The Mexican government has been extremely open with the public as well regarding their encounters with UFO’s; and more recently Russia has started to open up as well with regards to their strange encounters. All one has to do is take a little time to search and they will see MANY government and military officials from all over the world are starting to be forthright with what they regard as extraterrestrial craft encounters. These are men and women who would KNOW the difference between current technology here on earth verses technology that we have no comprehension of.

Mass Sightings also are now becoming more commonplace in this day and age.

1. www.dailymail.co.uk...
2. www.news.com.au...
3. July 12, 1952 – UFO’s were sighted and reported around the Capital area in Washington DC by hundreds of witnesses and even made headlines in the Washington Post. ufologie.net...
4. All over Texas, UFO’s are being reported… including incidents where many reports come in concerning same incidents.
a. radio.woai.com...
b. www.msnbc.msn.com...
c. www.keyetv.com...=cd6c5a88-ae8e-4939-8672-55ddc0208983
5. The Phoenix Lights (also witnessed by then governor) www.cnn.com...
6. And of course, in Spain on October 13, 1917, close to 70,000 witnessed a brilliantly lit disc spinning and hovering in the sky in what has become known as the Fatima Miracle.

There are NUMEROUS reports of people being abducted by creatures that somewhat resemble humans, but of course have some key distinct features that differ from ours and they are generally smaller in stature. Many of these reports were given from all around the world during a time when they did not have access to other’s accounts and yet the events of the abductions were eerily similar; reproduction seems to of interest to these beings.

THE end times, the fall, and speculation of what the forbidden fruit is:


What does all of this have to do with the coming of the son of man?

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah, so also will be the coming of the Son of man. For as they were in the days before the flood... (in other passages, there is a comparison drawn up between Sodom and the coming of the son of man).

There is only one event that took place both during the time of Noah, at Sodom, and, if the reports are to be believed, is taking place even now. Wickedness has always abound; earthquakes and other natural disasters have always occurred; wars and rumors of wars are not isolated to just these time periods. Only one exclusive event and it can be found in Genesis 6.

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It was the mixing of “seeds” that angered God and brought him to wipe out all of mankind except those who were with Noah (also makes it clear that the reason he was chosen had to do with him being “perfect in his generations”)… Interesting to note that this is the need for the “begat” sections in the Bible. To show that the blood line had been untainted; not by other human blood, but by the blood of the angels.

You can also read the story of Sodom in Genesis 19. It should be noted that the threat of its destruction was not given until AFTER the men wanted to sleep with the “men” who were staying in the house of Lot. This has nothing to do with homosexuality. They knew these men were different and from the “wonders” that these men perform, it is a safe conclusion that they were most likely angels. The mating with the angels is again what caused God to want to destroy the city.

So, this event is the only event exclusive to the end times and the time of Noah and Sodom and thus further leads me to speculate that perhaps it is what is being referred to in the bible as “the abomination of desolation”.
Matthew 24: 15 says, “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )”

Purely another speculation on my part, but in Daniel 2, when Daniel is interpreting the dream of King Nebuchadnezzar concerning the 4 kingdoms that will arise on the earth, I find it interesting how the last kingdom (the fourth) is described in verses 40-43 in relation to the verses and current times with the mixing of humans and “aliens/angels.”
40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Man is of clay and aliens/angels are of iron. Hmmm?? Also, end times prophecies in the Bible make it clear that the anti Christ will not be alone in ruling, but will be in cohorts with “the Beast.”

So, this all brings me to one of my favorite topics to ponder. The creation and fall of man according to the account given in Genesis. I have always tried to theorize what the forbidden fruit was and it lead to such a great falling away from God. Never have I been able to rationalize any of the speculations to fit in with the whole of the Bible.. until now.

I am going to go about explaining this as methodically as I possibly can, so please bear with me.

On the 6th day, God creates man and woman in “our” (Gods, gods, angels, aliens?) image. God tells them to be “*fruit*ful and multiply and replenish (suggesting that perhaps he was Repopulating?) the earth” as found in Gen 1:26-27. He also never puts stipulations on men and women here, but rather says “I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat” (vs 29). Then in chapter 3, it is noted in verse 4, “these are the GENERATIONS of the heavens and of the earth when they were created and made.” So, this wasn’t only a week long process and it also clues us into the fact that there are words, such as “day” that are being used in a broader sense.

Then in Chapter 2, CLEARLY after the 7th day where he rested, he makes Adam (vs 9) who *was* a man, but seems to be set apart from the men and women he made on the 6th day of Creation. It was only Adam, and not the “man” created on the 6th day, who was given the Breath of Life. Also, it was Adam and not those 6th day men that was given the command to not eat of the fruit of the tree that contained the knowledge of good and evil. He then makes the woman for Adam. Note that he never commands them, even once, to be fruitful and multiply, only to not eat of the fruit of that specific tree.

In Chapter 3, the serpent tempts the woman with the forbidden fruit. After having drawn the correlation between the modern ufo/alien reports and the end time happenings in the Bible, it suddenly occurred to me that the fruit very well could have to do with sexual relations. This idea actually is easily supported with other verses. He tells the men and women of earth to be FRUITful, yet he doesn’t say that to Adam and Eve. In vs. 7 of chapter 3, it states that after they ate of the fruit, their eyes were opened and it specifically says they realized they were both *naked* at that point.
Another interesting clue can be found in Genesis 3: 15, God’s punishment dealt to the serpent. “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between THY SEED and HER SEED.” Seed comes from fruit, thus the fruit would seem to be the consummation through sexual relations.

Also, it wasn’t until AFTER this fall of “eating the fruit” that Adam names her “Eve” which means “mother of all living.” *raises eyebrow* huh? Ya think?

They are then cast out of Eden onto the face of the earth where it is again confirmed that they were not the only man and woman alive when Cain worries about other men killing him for killing his brother and finds a wife in the land of Nod.

Again, the reason for all the begats would be to show the pure line of Adam and Eve.

Other verses to support such a theory can be found all over the Bible including a very specific passage that I happened across literally right after this idea.
Psalm 82 : 1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

And also Isaiah 14:29 says, Do not rejoice O Philistia, all of you, for the rod of your striking is broken, because a viper (Antichrist?) comes forth from the root of the snake (Satan?) and his fruit is the fiery flying seraph.

We are taught that the whole of the Bible is about obedience and seems to be about blindly following.. the fall, the deluge, the salvation process, etc.. but have we skipped over the very important fact that perhaps the abomination of desolation is very much a mixing of the bloodlines (not humans; but humans and the sons of gods/angels/aliens)? Has this knowledge been left out for the purposes of control and manipulation and even perhaps deception of the real reason why the son of man (jesus) came (if he did)?

I find it odd that men such as Hitler, Dubbya, and other leaders (along with the majority of our corrupt leaders in the country) use christianity to justify their crusades for control/money. I find that many Christians trust(ed) them and other leaders, blindly following them on their crusade for a money and/or resources and/or power.

I find it odd that there is a handful of jewish bloodlines that always seem to be right there during the most pivotal times in this world; including this country.

I find it odd that slowly classified information concerning UFO's are starting to come out and reputable men are speaking up. More and more sightings are taking place and now, even I, almost a turned skeptic am seeing things that I can't explain.

I find it odd that there seems to be a quickening in time, knowledge, the blurring of the line between peace/war.

I find it odd that we are giving up so much to obtain so little in the world today.

2 Thes 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie ...

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I offer no definitive answer on whether I believe all this is right or wrong. This is merely a path that I was led down, not of my own volition. This has all literally, for lack of a better descriptive phrase, fallen into my lap. As I continue to look through the Bible, other scriptures that were deliberately left out of the bible, secular ancient history, and current times, I am amazed to see that it all fits together better than anything else I have tried to implement with my own imagination; but I also must admit that it seems a bit fantastical.

There are so many more ideas and thoughts being thrown into my head that make sense now and lead me to believe that perhaps these things that were hidden from the foundation of the world are now being revealed. I was further amazed to find out that these ideas and their support have not only been shown to me, but also to others that I have not previously known or heard until after all of this had been worked out in my head.


And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,
I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:
And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
And your young men shall see visions,
And your old men shall dream dreams;
And on My servants and on My handmaidens,
I will pour out in those days of My Spirit;
And they shall prophesy. Acts 2: 17-18

*ALL FLESH* Maybe we shouldn’t be disregarding everything we hear from others regardless of their status, beliefs, race, or how unconventional it may sound. I am not saying we should buy into everything, but I am saying that things might not be what they seem.

I leave you all to your own conclusions and again, I am just sharing with you these ideas. I do not ask you to accept or reject, only to think about these things without bias.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by justamomma]

justamomma,
This is a well thought out thread that might have some basis in fact. Consider we are on the verge of altering human genome for purpose of ...well everything from extending life to curing disease. Maybe I just like the idea of a "Unified Conspiracy Theory". This hits on a couple and borders on a couple others!

BP

I must applaud you on your post and on the many hours you must have studied your bible/religion to be able to forment the ideas into a chain that makes sense to you and more importantly is understandable by someone who does not beleive in your faith.

I have studied many religions/ ideals/ faiths, from wicca and Crowley to the faiths held by the ancient Egyptians. One thing that continually amazes me is that so many diffirent cultures with beleifs that are not only diffirent but are opposing, all agree/feel that the ideals we have and nurture are about to be radically changed very soon.

In my own opinion we can do nothing but " go with the flow" and enjoy being alive during the times we are about go through.

My own learning and growing in the last five years has changed me as a person. Its like Ive walked through the wardrobe and into Narnia, where everything is possible, nothing is outwith the realms of belief and nothing scares me.

To those that say prove the end times are near, where is your evidence, I say...: I dont need any...you dont need any, because I, you, we, all know deep inside that the time has come. Its been pre-programmed into our psyche, our soul and we all know it.

Whether angels or aliens or whatever your theory/ thought has no more chance of being wrong than any other.

Take care and respects.

[edit on 24-11-2008 by captiva]

"Mark 4:22 - For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Col 1:26 - Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints. "

These are very correct. Everything I know now was always there, it just wasn't apparent. The way things are presented is always good(marketing 101). I was buying into the marketing behind things. When I "woke up", it was like synchronicity, but really it just felt that way because the stuff was already there, and it was just me learning/recognizing them.

In the 2nd verse, I think made manifest to his saints means "made apparent". Things will be made apparent to them, rather than a physical manifestation. When I first quit "drinking the official koolaid", my entire perspective changed, but not what I physically see with my eyes.

I think ET's are real, but I am not yet convinced they are the angels/demons - who also by definition would be ET's. Hard to say, if it ever shows up - will have to decide on them based on what they say.