Does McCain Think Reagan Was a Socialist?

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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CONFUSED.

That is what any objective logical observer would conclude if we were to accept the McCain campaigns idea that Obama is a socialist.

Does McCain Think Reagan Was a Socialist?
When the Earned Income Tax Credit was expanded in the Tax Reform Act of 1986, President Reagan, who signed the bill into law, called the EITC “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job-creation measure to come out of Congress.”

The EITC provides a tax credit to very low-income working families. The credit can exceed federal income tax liability, meaning that some very low-income families actually receive a check from the IRS.
www.ctj.org...

McCain-Palin: 'Ronald Reagan a Socialist'
It appears that the McCain-Palin team is continuing its disingenuous attacks on Barack Obama's refundable tax credits as 'welfare' and tantamount to 'socialism'.

Sure the McCain health care proposal relies on refundable tax credits...but we all knew that already.

Instead of being akin to socialism, the idea of giving tax credits to those who haven't paid income taxes is pretty orthodox, even among Republicans.

It was hailed by no less a conservative than President Ronald Reagan, McCain's hero, who supported one of the best-known of such credits, the Earned Income Tax Credit or EITC.
www.dailykos.com...

Govenor Palin recently in New Mexico:
"He claims that he'll cut income taxes for 95 percent of Americans. But the problem is, more than 40 percent of Americans pay no income taxes at all. So, how can you cut income taxes for folks who don't pay them?

It turns out, the question is the key to Barack Obama's plan since you can't reduce taxes on those who pay zero, he wants the government to send them a check that's called a tax credit. (boos)"

Ronald Reagan in 1985 speaking about the Earned Income Tax Credit
"Our plan will also mean an historic correction of a problem we've let go on too long -- the increasing tax burden on low- and fixed-income Americans that's been knocking the bottom rungs off the ladder of opportunity. A compassionate, profamily opportunity society should give a break as well to those Americans struggling to get by and move up. And that's exactly what we intend to do.

By hiking the earned income tax credit, indexing it for inflation, and practically doubling the personal exemption, we can make sure that the working families do not suffer under the burden of Federal taxation. Giving a leg up to those struggling to move up is what America is all about. And that's a top priority of our tax proposal"

Also...
Truthdig - Reports - McCain’s Socialist Delusion
www.truthdig.com...


 

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posted on Oct, 28 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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I just wanted to bring some perspective to the latest campaign smear tactic devised by McCain strategists. The guys that have been running his campaign are operating as if it was eight years ago and no one can fact check their BS.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:51 AM
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you wont hear much retort to cold hard facts that point out cold hard hypocrisy



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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Reagan did one good thing? That's the only thing that surprises me. If only he had wanted to spend tax money on good programs instead of the army and such.

This is just another example of Republican ideology being as flexible as Soviet ideology when needed, but also as far above reality (the N.E.P. taxing farmers for surplus grain rather than stealing it/Reagan giving tax credits to people who couldn't make it, so they'd vote for him).



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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Speaking in broad terms without getting into the details you have presented here, what does this say about McCain again?

Is he supposed to share every single view that Reagen did? Are they supposed to agree on every issue in every area?

Please.

What difference does it make if he disagrees with Reagen. Not everything Reagan did was a solid gold good idea you know.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by nyk537
Speaking in broad terms without getting into the details you have presented here, what does this say about McCain again?

Is he supposed to share every single view that Reagen did? Are they supposed to agree on every issue in every area?


Okay...Then McCain should say that. He believes Obama's plan for offering tax credits to the poorest among us is Socialist in the same way that Reagan's tax credit was SOCIALIST.

Reagan didn't just sign the bill he championed it as “the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job-creation measure to come out of Congress.”

Please...enough with the smears and propaganda.

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[edit on 29-10-2008 by maybereal11]



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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Why does McCain need to speak out against Reagan? He isn't running for President, Obama is.

Just because someone in McCain's same party supported something over 2 decades ago doesn't mean he has to agree with them.

I fail to see any link between McCain and Reagan here in regards to Obama and his policies.

Not sure what the comment regarding smears and propaganda is supposed to mean either. No one is smearing anyone here or spreading propaganda.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by nyk537
Why does McCain need to speak out against Reagan? He isn't running for President, Obama is.

Just because someone in McCain's same party supported something over 2 decades ago doesn't mean he has to agree with them.


"Someone in McCain's party" I can't blame you for wanting to belittle the fact that RONALD REAGAN is who McCain has said he is modeled after. He has run numerous ads saying just this. A foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution etc etc.

If McCain want's to claim Obama is a socialist because of his willingness to institute Tax Credits then he should acknowledge that his "Hero" was a socialist as well.

When you start calling a presidential candidate a Socialist knowing full well that it is inflamatory rhetoric without substance, and simply relying on the emotional response of the words...socialist, marxist etc. Relying on people not to research the facts. I beleive that is propaganda.

By the way...you haven't answered the question. Maybe re-read the original post. Palins qoute and Reagans...

IS REAGAN A SOCIALIST?

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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Does McCain think at all? I hate to use this term, but he is the king of the "sheeple". A government for the sheeple, by the sheeple and of the sheeple!

On topic though, I do not think that McCain thought Regan was a Socialist, as he would NEVER think that about a fellow Republican...he saves those beliefs for the opponents from the Democratic party.



posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Many of the things McCain accuses Obama of being a socialist for McCain defended and supported himself, other than Universal Health Care.

That alone shows his hypocrisy. The Reagan thing just helps to cement the obvious.

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posted on Oct, 29 2008 @ 09:24 PM
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Senator Obama was a member of and candidate for the "New Party" in the 1990's. The "New Party" is/was a Socialist Political Organization, founded by leaders from "Communist Party USA" and other Marxist ideological groups. Need anymore proof exist as to Senator Obama's "Socialist" status?



posted on Oct, 30 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Senator Obama was a member of and candidate for the "New Party" in the 1990's. The "New Party" is/was a Socialist Political Organization, founded by leaders from "Communist Party USA" and other Marxist ideological groups. Need anymore proof exist as to Senator Obama's "Socialist" status?


You are wrong on all counts. Please provide LEGITIMATE news sources saying the same. NOT BLOGS or far right WEBSITES.

The reason McCain hasn't played this card publicly is because he understands that even in his desperation, this "New Party" BS is just that and it would be too much egg on his face. Instead he relies on minions like yourself to spread the manuer. That way he can play the fear card and still have deniability.

Obama was endorsed by the New Party, which was a rag tag and short lived group of progressives. He was NOT a member. A single web cache of a single blogged newsletter from a decade ago seems to infer he is, but beyond that there is NO LEGITIMATE RECORD of him being a memeber, NO MEMBERS from the New Party ever remembering him being a member. NO BALLOTS show him being a member, No listing of him among the membership rolls. He was registered nowhere as a member etc. etc.

Please keep up the lies, keep trying to distract the electorate from the important issues...it's working great for McCain so far.



[edit on 30-10-2008 by maybereal11]



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