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January 2, 2008
Scientists find missing evolutionary link using tiny fungus crystal
The crystal structure of a molecule from a primitive fungus has served as a time machine to show researchers more about the evolution of life from the simple to the complex.
By studying the three-dimensional version of the fungus protein bound to an RNA molecule, scientists from Purdue University and the University of Texas at Austin have been able to visualize how life progressed from an early self-replicating molecule that also performed chemical reactions to one in which proteins assumed some of the work.
"Now we can see how RNA progressed to share functions with proteins," said Alan Lambowitz, director of the University of Texas Institute for Cellular and Molecular Biology. "This was a critical missing step."
Results of the study were published in Thursday's (Jan. 3) issue of the journal Nature.
Fresh Fossil Evidence Of Eye Forerunner Uncovered
ScienceDaily (Jan. 2, 2008) — Ancient armoured fish fossils from Australia present some of the first definite fossil evidence of a forerunner to the human eye, a scientist from The Australian National University says.
Provides some insight into how a basic replicating molecule might have been able to start interacting with proteins.
Fresh Fossil Evidence Of Eye Forerunner Uncovered
ScienceDaily (Jan. 2, 2008) — Ancient armoured fish fossils from Australia present some of the first definite fossil evidence of a forerunner to the human eye, a scientist from The Australian National University says.
Originally posted by Heronumber0
OK, the article claims to have found protein attached to RNA which fuflils some of its functions. However, we have not gone back far enough in time yet. Where did the small molecules that made RNA come from (the nucleotides)?
Originally posted by melatonin
Oh, I agree. This is just one possible link in the chain. Much more work to do. But, as I'm sure you know, this is generally how science works, small tentative steps in the right direction. I'm sure we would all like to solve this stuff in one day, not likely to happen though.
I'll answer the eye stuff manana, about to hit the sack. Hope you're well anyway
Originally posted by Heronumber0
I did try to look up nucleotide origin by googling it but came up with very little. It seems to be a bit of a mystery. I knew that simple amino acids, e.g. glycine, were fuond in the ice around stars but could not find a correlation for nucleotides.
As for the patient steps, every scientific enquiry seems to end in a big question mark so I don't see this as being any different.
[I listened to the Radiohead Scotch Mist U-Tube sessions - very nice!]
Originally posted by Heronumber0
If I am correct then the eye evolved from a photosensitive spot which is thought to have evolved into the modern eye. However, I find it difficult to imagine how that spot would have conferred an advantage on the primitive single cell carrying it unless there are two other mechanisms in play
Originally posted by melatonin
Amino acids appear to be quite common in space. Some meteorites have been found to contain various (eek, my link died - I'll see if I can fix it later - it was the marchison (sp?) meteorite anyway).
The chances are that the next steps happened on earth. But the basic molecules could have been produced in space. An interesting study a while back showed how homochirality might be due to solar effects.
The inevitable conclusion of this survey of nucleotide synthesis
is that there is at present no convincing, prebiotic
total synthesis of any of the nucleotides. Many individual
steps that might have contributed to the formation of nucleotides
on the primitive Earth have been demonstrated,
but few of the reactions give high yields of products, and
those that do tend to produce complex mixtures of products.
It should also be realized that any prebiotic synthesis
of a nucleotide would yield a racemic product, not
the biologically important D-nucleotide.
POLYMERIZATION OF ACTIVATED NUCLEOTIDES
The polymerization of nucleotides in aqueous solution is
an uphill reaction and does not occur spontaneously to a
significant extent. Evaporation of acidic solutions of nucleotides
and subsequent heating leads to the formation of
complex mixtures of very short oligonucleotides, in which
2-5-, or 3-5-phosphodiester linkages occur more or less
at random (Moravek, 1967). Consequently, attempts to
polymerize nucleotides from aqueous solution must necessarily
make use of external activating agents. Attempts
along these lines using cyanamide and similar activating
agents or water-soluble carbodiimides have been disappointing,
at best leading to poor yields
Originally posted by Heronumber0
Of course, you will say: 'wait and see'. But what if the answer is that a clay substrate was needed for the stable formation of nucleotides?
I risk being shot here but I believe that the ethics of the Bible are more important than the science and that the small amount of science in the Bible can be read as metaphor and not as literal fact.
I'd love to find out how a stepwise selection would have encouraged predator avoidance in unicellular organisms. Even a general mechanism of the evolution would suffice. Also, a rough idea of how the first photon receptor was able to regenerate itself would be a major step forward in the eye debate.
Hope you are well.
Originally posted by Heronumber0
I am a bit disappointed with the reply melatonin. I thought you would have come back with some theory. You must have your opinions and not seek to have every view validated by the opinion of another which is such a common habit in the scientific community. I think the debate on clay as a substrate for life to form would be interesting because it is mentioned in the Bible no?
However I think that this will be an area for future debate because I could not find a source of nucleotides in space matter. This is a mystery that remain unsolved - yes by all means try acid, acid, eutectic freezing but at least copy the hypothetical primordial conditions. Perhaps it will remain unsolved permanently.
[What a win for Wales - you must be delighted]
Originally posted by melatonin
Maybe it is, but only by contortion can you make it relevant. In a similar way to the criticism of me, you are just taking a 'square peg' idea in science and ramming it into the 'round hole' of genesis.
I tend to not go for speculation outside of my area of expertise. But I am sorry the reply didn't live up to your expectation. My chemistry knowledge is not as good as it used to be, heh - although I do have a degree in it. There are numerous gaps to be spanned in abiogenesis, but there's not much I can add. Ask me about stuff closer to the neuroscience of social behaviour, and I'll speculate away.
If you wanted me to answer the DNA is adam and RNA is eve, it feels like discussing 'if radiohead were cats and coldplay mice, would Thom still own Chris'. If it makes sense to you, then fair enough.
I would tend to think nucleotides did first occur on the earth, I think I mentioned that earlier. The issue with this sort of stuff is that we have little insight as to the conditions under which the major events would have occured - it might have been catalysed by other materials, used templates, or even de novo etc etc. The possibilities are somewhat endless, so what can I really add? At this point the answer is 'lots of possibilities, but don't know', or for some 'goddidit'.
From what I gathered from Orgel's article is that polymerisation from preactivated nucleotides is relatively easy, compared to non-activated. Thus, the idea of clays being involved has some possibilities. Indeed, some think we need to look for other less direct pathways to an RNA world, and the Orgel article raises some.
What I don't need to speculate on is that when we do uncover a reasonable explanation, it will be contorted to fit theology by some and misrepresented by others.