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reply posted on 11-12-2002 @ 10:32 PM by Toltec
Hey Xaos check out this site


www.nidsci.org...

Truth where exactly is the word "delusions" in the
Bible? Also what do you know about conditions outside earths atmosphere?


they are soley created by satan with his peoplle who run the world who all conduct the plan to bring about
gods revelation.


Huh????

You will have to excuse truth he beleives is TV is possesed by God

[Edited on 12-12-2002 by Toltec]



reply posted on 12-12-2002 @ 12:39 AM by Toltec
Main Entry: de…lu…sion
Pronunciation: di-'l¸-zh&n, dE-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
Date: 15th century
1 a : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded b : an abnormal mental state characterized by the occurrence of psychotic delusions
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self
- de…lu…sion…al /-'l¸zh-n&l, -'l¸-zh&-n&l/ adjective
- de…lu…sion…ary /-zh&-"ner-E/ adjective

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Btw, i type fast and do not care about grammer. Did you understand what i said despite
The bad grammar??


"Truth" 200 or so year ago Murder would have seemed just as important. The Falsehood seem apparent, whatever "truth" believes is not relevant we should all treat as it. And the only reason is because he thinks itís not important. This because he has seen miracles and questioning that is against God??????????

God sends falsehoods, which are psychotic delusions, the result of a test of faith. Which is to delude the mind into thinking that these Falsehoods are real (delusions). All because people do not wish to accept the Jesuit faith.

Main Entry: false…hood
Pronunciation: 'fols-"hud
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
1 : an untrue statement : LIE
2 : absence of truth or accuracy
3 : the practice of lying : MENDACITY

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Despite what you feel is appropriate "Truth" Falsehoods are Lies God has nothing to do with these contradictions, that it is in the bible is related to mans lies.


reply posted on 12-12-2002 @ 11:15 PM by Toltec
"Truth" states

God says.
""" i will send them in those days, strong delusions that they may believe a lie """


"Truth" states

the whole 2nd thessalonians chapter 2 infact taalks about the end times and satans delusions which
would include aliens.


"Truth" states

The true translation is...

"" God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying ""


"Truth" is sounds to me like your lying. Based on what interpetation do you get "operations of error" to mean delusions? Ok this is another one of those area's in which you have implied that an inherently medical problem is actually evidence of Satanic influence. So therefore a conclusion to you points, are that people who are delusional. Are actually being influenced by the Devil.

"Truth" the last thing a person with a mental disorder is in need of, is this sort of garbage. Let me be clear, I feel sorry for anyone who would have a problem of this type and would run into someone like you. Because obviously someone of your type of personal belief. Would be nothing but a hindrance on reasonable and rational treatment.

To you it seems apparent that because the end time are coming those people who are in Mental hospitals and under the treatment of a licensed therapist. Are individuals who are possessed by the Devil? This is no different that the comments you made earlier this year about the Mentally retarded.

You worry so much about the "End of the World" you are prepared to label the sick as sinners. Who are in such a state because they or there ancestors committed an act against God?

You are so obsessed that you have very little compassion for anything that lies outside of
What you are thinking, people who have mental disorders have imbalances in their body chemistry. The Hallucinationís they have are the reuslt of this. So what you are implying is the God intends on causing on a scale of billions of people Chemical imbalances in there body chemistry.


"Truth" its time for you to grow up.


Consider this, no one has ever died of believing in aliens but because of the belief that the Holy bible
Should be taken literally, millions are dead as a result. Potentially there exist billions of planets in space
Which could maintain life.

On this one there is a book that some say what created all of that wants to kill Billions of people. My impression is those people here who feel the ways they do about the bible are deluded. And you know what I donít think the Devil is doing it. I think they are doing it to themselves.

[Edited on 13-12-2002 by Toltec]


reply posted on 12-12-2002 @ 11:58 PM by Toltec

The Second Epistle of St. Paul to the Thessalonians

Chapter 2.
1 And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him:
2 That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
4 Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,
9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
10 And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.
12 But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth:
13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hathloved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,
16 Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.


Please see attached source which is an online copy of the version of the bible "Truth" presented.

Online Bible

"Truth" someone here is lying, the Online bibles homepage is a Christian Univercity.


reply posted on 13-12-2002 @ 01:13 AM by pacman
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I've wondered too about delusions, but King Ahab was given delusions because he wouldn't take the truth.

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." (1 Corinthians 14:33)

"Let all things be done decently and in order."
(1 Corinthians 14:40)

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." (Proverbs 3:5-6)

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." (Proverbs 18:13)

If people would seek the Lord with a sincere heart and an honest desire for The Truth, He would be more than happy to reveal it to them. But you see, they don't. Instead, they read the Bible with a critical eye just looking for errors of one sort or another. Because they have rejected the Word of the Lord, they want to be convinced that it is full of mistakes, contradictions and inaccuracies. This is the only way they can justify their sin of unbelief and their ungodly lifestyle. While they think they are pulling one over on God, what these types of folks apparently don't realize is that God is the One Who is pulling the wool over THEIR eyes! If they really want to be deceived, the Lord will allow them to be deceived. In fact, we are told that He will choose their delusion for them:

"I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not."
(Isaiah 66:4)

Another good example concerning the defeat of evil King Ahab in 1 Kings chapter twenty-two. The gist of this amazing story is that Jehoshaphat, king of the southern kingdom of Judah who ruled from Jerusalem, went to see Ahab, king of the northern kingdom of Israel who ruled from Samaria. This is the same King Ahab and Queen Jezebel who persecuted the Lord's prophet Elijah. The Lord was very upset with Ahab and Jezebel because of their many evil doings, all of which are recorded in 1 Kings chapters sixteen through twenty-two. At any rate, Ahab revealed his plans to attack Ben-hadad the king of Syria. Being a righteous king in some regards, Jehoshaphat asked Ahab if he had first sought the Lord's Will regarding this matter. Being as evil as he was, Ahab couldn't care less what the Lord thought. However, to appease Jehoshaphat so that he would join him in battle at Ramoth-gilead, Ahab called for his prophets. It is here that we get a behind-the-scenes view of what was really going on in the Spirit World in the realm of the Heavenly Courts:

"And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning
thee." (1 Kings 22:19-23)

The above words were spoken to the two kings by the true prophet of God, Micaiah. Because he faithfully obeyed the Lord, Micaiah was cast into prison by the evil King of Israel. Ahab and Jehoshaphat then went against the King of Syria. During the course of the battle, one of King Beh-hadad's archers shot an arrow up into the air by chance. Because of the Lord's Will, this arrow found its mark, and King Ahab was mortally wounded and died that same day. As had been prophesied, Ahab's blood was licked up by the dogs when it was washed out of his chariot. Later, his evil Queen Jezebel was also eaten by dogs.

The main point in all of this is that because Ahab was leaning upon his own strength and wisdom, because he didn't care what the Lord thought, the Lord purposely allowed the king to be deceived by permitting one of His many ministering Spirits to go speak lies through the mouths of his false prophets. That Spirit told the king exactly what he wanted to hear. A few other excellent verses on this topic of delusion which I've shared before are the following:

"...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
(2 Thessalonians 2:10b-11)

The Bible is self-interpretting. It explains itself. However, in order to know and understand this, it is imperative that you do a lot of reading; otherwise you will never make the right connections. The Truth will evade you at every turn. You must read, read, read; and study, study study. If you do this, if you take the time to diligently study God's Word, He will most certainly reward you with pearls of great price.
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