The End Days?

o Luke 13:32 - Cast out demons and heal sick today and tomorrow. Jesus perfected on third day. We are the body of Christ and He is the head.

o John 2: 1-10 Marriage at Cana on third day turns water (Word of God) in earthen vessels (man), and Jesus turns it into wine (transforming spirit, latter rain) which the latter is better than the former.
o Life of Flesh is in the blood – Lev 17:11, We are his Body, His Flesh.
o Matt 26:26-29, Mark 14:22-25, Luke 22:19-21
o Drink of fruit of the vine is harvest of righteous fruit
Mt 26:29, Mk 14:25, Lk 22:21

o John 11:2 Jesus remained 2 days in His place before going to raise up Lazarus on the third day.


o Other Signs of Proximity of the End Times

o Matt 24:32-34

o Physical Jews - 70-80 years from the Fig tree putting forth its leaves
(1948 start, 2018-2028 completion) – I believe it is all over by the end of 2016.

o Spiritual Jews – Leaves take in Sun (Son) and put out Oxygen (breath, spirit) and
water (Word of God).

o At time of Jesus Birth, Caesar required that everyone be enrolled
o Luke 2:1, Nat’l ID Card in 2008.

o Luke 13:4 - 1 Tower of Siloam fell, 18 died = 6+6+6 in Rome I,
Isa 30:25– 2 Towers fell in Rome II on 9/11 (see 9/11/05 Vision)
Isa 30:26 speaks of birth of Man-Child soon after.

o Jeremiah 25 – King of Babylon attacks countries around Iraq and rules them for 70 years (now 7 years this time)

o Daniel Chapter 8 – Vs 1 - In 3rd year of of the reign of king Belshazzar (3rd Millenium from Jesus), vision of Iran (vss 2-7) being attacked from a force that doesn’t touch the ground across the whole earth (US with airforce and navy) and destroys Iran (Elam). After that, the Antichrist exalts himself (vs 8-10) and the takes away the continual burnt offering (abomination of desolation) in the tribulation. He is ultimately destroyed “without hands” just like the statue in Daniel Ch 3 is destroyed by a rock cut out of the mountain without hands. While Daniel 8 says it was the king of Greece, but there are allusions to a later, greater fulfillment as well.

o Prophecy of 112 Popes by St. Malachi in 1138. Pope Benedict XVI is #111 – the glory of the Olive. The next and last one is Peter the Roman. See seperate file

o Prophecy of the 12 houses – see seperate file. Bush is #11. The next president is the last one.

o Coming of Nibiru “Planet of the Crossing” (eliptical orbit, period ~3630 years) comes inside solar system and closest to Earth in late 2012/early 2013. Our sun is actually a binary partner with a dark star around which Nibiru orbits. It is approaching from the southern hemisphere and cannot be seen north of the equator. It will become visible to the naked eye to those in Antarctica in 2009. Notice how close this is to the timeline of the appearance of the abomination that makes desolate in early 2012. Mt 24: 15-22 – After the abomination that makes desolate is setup up in “A” holy place (the spirits of those reprobated for taking the mark) then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. The passing of this planet will cause mega earthquakes, mega tsunamis, major volcanic eruptions, and deadly weather. Notice that, about 3600 years ago, at the end of the Exodus in Joshua 10:12-13, the Sun stood still in the sky (earth stopped rotation). With few buildings and fewer people, the destruction was not as catastrophic. The passing of Nibiru will likely cause the earth to stop its rotation for up to 3 days and destroy most major cities. The passing of Nibiru is what God uses as the natural catalyst to the great tribulation written of 2000 years ago. It is a red planet, often represented by a cross by the Sumerians in ancient times. Mt 24:30 – sign of Son of Man in the heavens – several prophets and other believers have been given a vision of the sign of the Son of Man – it’s a large red cross.

o Tribulation cannot start just any year (1260/1290 days)

o Objections:
o No one knows the day or the hour.
o Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13, Mark 13:32 - Jesus, in incarnate state, 2000 years ago, did not know the exact time, but knew enough to quote the 2000 year gap in Good Samaritan parable (He knew the century, the decade, the year?).

o Since he is the “word made flesh” and considering all of the allusions and parables in the Old Testament, he must have known the overall timing.

o I can only conclude that Jesus was being coy in His answer because He wanted continuing vigilance in lives and ministry in the 2,000 year gap until His return (Mt 25:13)

o Matt 28:18 - All authority in Heaven and Earth given to me, - after this, He knows.

o How could others be so wrong before?

Daniel 12 - some information only revealed at the very end - don't blame previous.


o What will happen in the End Times


o Pre- or Post-Trib: Post – Trib Rapture is Correct, 2595 days after beginning of tribulation

o Revelation 20 - Souls of those beheaded - first resurrection. We also know from 1 Thes 4:16 that Rapture occurs at time of first resurrection.

o Job 14:12 - sleep and do not rise until Heavens rolled away, not 7 years before.

o Joshua 6 - Jericho story - flesh falls after 7 times around on 7th day. "Times" used as unit of measure for ruling duration of beast. (Dan 7:25, 12:7, Rev 12:14)

o Exodus - Feast of Unleavened Bread last 7 days before leaving Egypt.

o Genesis 6, Dan 12:12 - Noah seven days in the ark before the wrath of God came, 40 days of wrath, then lifted up. (much like the 7 years plus 40 days at end of tribulation).

- 7 Years * 365 + 40 (Gen 6-7) = 2595 Days

- Dan 12 has same number: 1260 (Rev 12) + 1335 Days (Dan 12) = 2595 Days

Jesus said “as were the days of Noah, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man” (Mt 24:37)
Jesus specifically alludes to a comparison to the days of Noah (7 days).

o God’s way is to remove the Wicked, not the Righteous (Prov 2:21-22, 10:30)

End Part 2 - see next post for Part 3

o Objections:

o But we are not destined for wrath (1 Thess 5:9)
1. The assumption is that the only way for God to seperate us from the wrath is to remove us from the earth, but Ps 91: 7-8 says that we see the fall of the wicked with our own eyes. John 17:15 – Jesus specifically asks not that the disciples be taken out of the world, but that they be kept from the evil one (while still in the world).
2. The wrath is the 8th year – the Day of the Lord (Isa 34:8, 63:4) is a year long for the cause of Zion (Heb 12:22 – Spiritual Israel)
a. Jesus read Isa 61:1-2a when He entered the temple at the start of His ministry, He did not read the second part of verse 2 which is the day of vengeance which we know is at His second coming (Parousia in the greek).
3. Where do we see this 8th year alluded to in scripture?

a. 8 is always the fall of the flesh so that there is a spiritual new beginning.

b. Children circumcised on the 8th day (Lev 12:3, Rom 2:28-29) – fall of flesh

c. Lev 9: On 8th Day, Moses and Aaron present sin offerings to Lord and Glory of Lord appears to all people.
d. Lev 14:10, 18 Leper cleansed on 8th day – priest makes atonement for him by sacrifices (of the Wicked) Prov 11:8 - The righteous is delivered out of trouble, And the wicked cometh in his stead. Prov 21:18 - The wicked is a ransom for the righteous; And the treacherous cometh in the stead of the upright. Isa 43:3 - For I am Jehovah thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour; I have given Egypt (parable for world) as thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in thy stead.
e. Jesus Gematria = 888
f. Noah and 7 others – (2 pet 2:5) Noah was tht 8th person saved in the first judgment.
g. David was the 8th child – 1 Sam 16:10-12 – spritial leader as opposed to Saul’s fleshly leadership.
h. Look at all the references to what happens “after seven days”
Gen 7:10 – after 7 days, the waters came upon the earth.
i. Feast of Tabernacles (Lev 23:40-42, Nehemiah 8:15-18) – make temporary dwelling for seven days out of natural olive (Jews), wild olive (gentiles – Rom 11), and other branches in the 7th month (7th millenium), then tear it down and go to our permanent home (heaven). The tabernacle is our physical body (2 Cor 5:1,4; 2 Pet 1:13-14). Jacob was name for physical jews, Israel was name given to Jacob (spritual israel). Num 24:5 – How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, thy tabernacles, O Israel!
Note: Convocation = rehearsal – for what?
The original Hebrew word that is translated as "convocation" is (pronounced) mik-raw means a called assembly. Another literal meaning of the original Hebrew word is a rehearsal - rehearsal meaning to "re-hear" what has been taught, but the modern-day accepted meaning of rehearsal, a practice session for a later event is also very appropriate because all of the so-called "Old Testament" Holy Days are prophetic in intent (they are not an end or purpose in themselves), until they are fulfilled, and are then memorials forever thereafter. The "spring" Holy Days (Passover, Unleavened Bread, Pentecost - see below) have been largely fulfilled (the Sacrifice of the "Lamb of God" and the founding of the Christian Church), while the "autumn" Holy Days (The Feast of Trumpets, The Day of Atonement, The Festival of Tabernacles and the Eighth Day - see below) portray events awaiting to happen, beginning with The Return Of Jesus Christ.
j. Joshua 6 – the walls of Jericho (flesh) falls after the Israelites complete the 7 times around the city.
k. Exodus – 7 days feasting on the Unleavened bread (pure word of God) and then the judgment which kills the first-born of Egypt (world) (1 Cor 15:46 - the natural man is the first-born of the world, the spritual man is the second born). The first-born natural man is killed during the judgment after the 7 days Feast of Unleavened Bread). Leaven is the ingredient that makes the bread palatable to the flesh – tribulation is a feast on the pure word of God.
Beware the leaven of the Pharisees (Matt 16:5-12, Mark 8:14-21, Luke 12:1) – makes it more desireable to the flesh – that flesh that is the enemy of God.

Beware the leaven of Herod (Mark 8:15). Human Government issues.
o We are to be kept from the hour of testing (Rev 3:10)
a. That was written only to the church of Philadelphia, 1 of 7 churches. Each of us belongs to one of the seven churches, 6 of 7 go into the hour of testing. What does it mean for the 1 of seven to be kept from the hour of testing? I submit that it means that they are already sealed (Ex 13:16 vs Rev 13:16 – Mark of the God on the Forehead (in their minds) and on their hands (in their works). It does not mean that they will not die or go through trouble, but that they are sealed to perform the works and preach the word regardless of what happens to them. Their destiny is sealed. There is no hesitation, no fear, no anxiety, no compromise. When you understand the epiphany, you understand that these people are Jesus clothed in human form.
John 17:15 – Jesus specifically asks that the disciples not be taken out of the world, but that they be kept from the evil one (while still in the world). Clearly, God thinks we can be kept from the hour of testing while still in the world.

Basic Timeline

Early 2008 - US has war with Iran that is devastating to Iran (Jer 25, Dan 8). President Bush and all government increasingly takes on mind of beast (Dan 4) to control the world and all people. US is hit with another attack blamed on terrorists. This second attack is much worse than the 9/11/01 attack. The control and abuse of the people has already started as police around country increasingly use non-lethal weapons to abuse citizenry. The leadership of the false, apostate church is cut down (government inquiries into major ministries has already started) (tree at start of Daniel 4). The apostate church allowed the beasts to find shade/refuge under its branches, but no more. That apostate church will be brought down somewhat. Remember that the birth of the man-child is for the falling and rising of many in Israel (Lk 2:34)

Early to mid-2008 – John the Baptist/Elijah Ministry starts to point the people to repent and point the way to the people who are part of the man-child ministry (repeat of the gospels, only spiritual).

Summer/Fall 2008 – Man-child ministry is born at the Epiphany (Rev 12:1-6).

Sep/Oct 2008 – Start of 7-year tribulation after 7 years of plenty that commenced in Sept 2001. Covenant with many is made to start the clock. Now begins 7 years of famine. Saints go into the wilderness to be matured by the man-child ministry and fed the pure word of God.

2009 – Nibiru becomes visible to the naked eye in southern hemisphere. Fullness of the Gentiles is completed. God turns back to the Jews to bring in the remnant through the Man-child ministry (Gen 45:6). Saints remain in wilderness until 2012.

Feb/Mar 2012 – setting up of the Mark of the Beast – many Christians take mark and are reprobated by God. These are the corporate Son of Perdition taken over by demons who persecute the remnant saints.

Late 2012/Early 2013 – Nibiru makes closest approach to earth – massive devastation – large part of earth’s population perishes in catastrophes and subsequent famine. Magnetic poles shift orientation (Isa 24:1)

2012-2015 Great Tribulation caused by the passing of planet Nibiru and the afternath and people’s reactions of fear and panic caused by the passing. Great persection of the saints, beheading of many.
(Matt 24, Rev 13)

Sep/Oct 2015 – Sun Darkened, Moon not give off light. Beginning of the Day of the Lord. Saints have a supernatural Psalm 91 protection against all harm. United States (king of the South) is completely destroyed via Nuclear Weapons and attacks from Russia (King of the North), China (King of the East), and Arab countries. Then Russia and China destroy each other as well all within the next year.

Oct/Nov 2015 – Saints are raptured 40 days into the Day of the Lord are up in heaven for about a year. (Dan 12, Genesis 6-7, Rev 12)

Sept/Oct 2016 – Saints return with Jesus to finish off the remaining rebellious evil ones (Rev 19:11) and begin Jesus millenial rule on earth.


To be Added:

Days of Noah
Physical Giants back then – hybrids.
Who are the spiritual giants today and why are they giants?
Is it because the spread a doctrine which is part fleshly and part godly?
You can have Jesus and let the old man live.

Why Go through the Tribulation? What role for good does it play?
Isa 45:7, 1 John 5:19, Prov 16:4, Prov 21:18, Phil 3:10

What does the 666 mean in scripture?
o Can not buy or sell (Rev 13:18)
o Taking this is the abomination that makes desolate.
o Old man, natural mind of flesh which is the enemy of God.
o Number of a man, a corporate man – 1 John 5:19 – whole world lies in evil one.
o Goliath, 6 cubits tall, 6 armaments, spear head 600 shekels Iron. (1 Sam 17)
parable of fight between old natural man and new spiritual man (1 Cor 15:46)
o Dan 3 – statue, 60 cubits high, 6 cubits wide, plain of Dura (“circle” as in earth, gematria 600)
o Solomon got 666 talents of gold per year from renting out vineyards. (1 Kgs 10:14, 2 Chr 9:13)
o Romans 6:6 – old man is dead and buried with Christ (6th book, 6th chapter, 6th verse)
o Carbon-based flesh – 6 Protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons makes up physical, natural man.
o John 6:66 – many of his disciples went away and followed him no more.

Where do we see the start of tribulation in 2008?

Mostly we see 2015 in scriptures and, by that, recognize the start of the tribulation in 2008.

Genesis 41 – Joseph prophecies that the baker will die and the butler (who bore fruit) will be restored to their positions before the king (Lord) within 3 days (like Jesus preaching to souls in prison, then Joseph in prison two-full years more (2000 millenia). Then he prophecies 7 years of plenty (2001-2008) and 7 years of famine (2008-2015).

Where do we see the end of the tribulation/rapture/resurrection/start of day of Lord in 2015?

Judges 15:1 – 7th book (7th millenium) old Testament, 15th chapter (15th year) – time of harvest of saints.

1 Cor 15 - 7th book (7th millenium) new Testament, 15th chapter (15th year) – all about rapture and resurrection.

Feast of Tabernacles 7th month (7th millenium), 15th day of the month (15th year) – tabernacle is torn down and we go to permanent home.

Raising Lazarus – John 11 – Jesus stays in his place 2 more days (2000 years from His time) then travels 15 furlongs (15 years) to resurrect Lazarus.

Genesis 7:15 – (15th year of 7th millenium) – Noah enters the ark of protection during the water judgment.

Genesis 7:20 – (7th chapter, 7th millenium) Water goes up 15 cubits (15 yrs) above the ground in the water judgment.

Genesis 41 – Joseph prophecies that the baker will die and the butler (who bore fruit) will be restored to their positions before the king (Lord) within 3 days (like Jesus preaching to souls in prison, then Joseph in prison two-full years more (2000 millenia). Then he prophecies 7 years of plenty (2001-2008) and 7 years of famine (2008-2015).

Lev 23 – 7th Month, 15th day – when gathered in Fruit (Jesus in people) of the Land (soul) – refers to rapture after great persecution which is also part of the harvest of the saints.

Luke 3 – 3rd Book New Testament, 3rd Chapter – in 15th year of reign of Tiberius Caesar – John the Baptist proclaims how all flesh shall see the salvation of God (Lk 3:6)

reply to post by managerie


Everything ends in December of 2012 the last day of Hanukkah if thats not shocking enough for you. Count 3.5 years back in time to get the start of the Anti-Christ and the beginning of the great tribulation. 3.5 years back from that is the start of the tribulation.

We are indeed living in the End Time... as prophecied in the bible. Not the End of the Planent as such, just the system we live in. God is getting ready too setup his Kingdom on earth.

We are actually approaching the seventh seal in bible prophecy according too Ronald Weinland, April 2008 is the precise time actually. And Jesus will return in the fall of 2011, april 2008 will see the start of the final three and half years of the world as we know it before God will destroy the government and system and all evil doers and non believers. If you havent already check out Ronald Weinland sites you should do as they give so much information even e-books you can download for free.

Check out the-end.com... & www.ronaldweinland.com...

Personally, i know alot of people would be scared of what is about too happen. But some people also feel a great peace at the same time knowing what is about too happen. For those that are geniunly seeking God then they know they are going too move into the new Kingdom of God Free from all the corruption of this world we live in. We will reign with christ for a thousand years!!

Just thought id mention this also, in the bible it says awareness will be increased n the end time, well its eveident now that so many people are talking about it than ever before in all of history! NOW is the time! It really is!

Originally posted by markjaxson
Are we in "The End Days" as The Bible described?

Paul declared that the beginnings of the last days began 50 days after Jesus ascened to Heaven.

Read Acts 2:16-23

TAKEN FROM 2008 GODS FINAL WITNESS BY RONALD WEINLAND


Once the Seventh Seal is opened, the first of Seven Trumpets
will be blown. Each Trumpet will announce a specific phase of
great tribulation on the earth. The first four trumpets will
proclaim the demise of the United States and her closest allies.

The final sequence of events that leads up to the opening of
the Seventh Seal needs to be briefly reviewed. By the time this
final seal is opened, all 144,000 whom God has called over six
millennia will be fully trained to rule in His Kingdom. This
Kingdom will be established when Jesus Christ returns with the
144,000 on the last day of the final three and one-half years of
man’s self-rule. The remaining few, who were yet to be added to
this total count of 144,000, and are alive at this end-time, will be
sealed (completed their training) by the time this last seal is opened.
This final sealing will occur during the time of the Sixth Seal.
During the Sixth Seal, all Seven Thunders will be getting
progressively louder.

Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is
opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the
validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter
should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit
the truth. But even then, many still will prefer to believe a lie!
They still will prefer to be falsely soothed by denying reality and
the truth.

Also, by this moment in time, there will be a strong, rapidly
growing recognition within the United States that I am who I say
I am—one of God’s end-time witnesses and His prophet. This
Sixth Thunder will continue to grow much louder through this
final three and one-half years.



[edit on 9-12-2007 by TruthSeekers]

i does seem that way.

what with the environment acting strange and conflict all around and the rumours of war. we may just be in that time frame, and if we are how many of us have the knowledge to survive it?

One things for sure If it is coming soon meaning the NWO and end times then "I aim to misbehave." I am Christian but I also will fight for my family and friends and anyone else.

A few thoughts and links.

Article: No Doomsday in 2012

"…when a calendar comes to the end of a cycle, it just rolls over into the next cycle. In our Western society, every year 31 December is followed, not by the End of the World, but by 1 January. So 13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan calendar will be followed by 0.0.0.0.1 - or good-ol' 22 December 2012, with only a few shopping days left to Christmas."

A good explanation of how the Mayan calendar was meant to work, with comparison to our modern calendars, which are, of course, typically designed for one year at a time. Theirs were longer (the "long count") but still, all calendars do end eventually.

Blog: Excellent Perspective on "End Times" prophecies

All this reminds me of a historical incident that I like to remind myself of. On 1000 A.D. a group of Christians went to the top of a hill expecting the Return of Christ and The End of The World. Months rolled on and no Christ and No Apocalypse. The Christians, many of them starving, literally had to be dragged down off the hill.

Article: A Scientific Look at the 2012 Mayan Doomsday Prophecy

The Long Count calendar used by the Mayan people in pre-Columbian Mesoamerica "turns over" in the year 2012. Some have taken this to mean that the Mayans believed that the world would end on that date. However, there is no evidence that they actually held such a belief.

Also this; same link:

Another thing to consider is the date. Dates on calenders are not exact, especially when dealing with this amount of time. Our own Roman calender is off by a whole day every four years, which is why we have Leap Year. Even though the Maya calendar is the most accurate, when you deal with time spans of 26 thousand years...it gets a little difficult to be exact.

Also:

One Mayan king predicted that the day he was crowned would still be celebrated at the end of an 8,000 year cycle... a cycle that would in in the year 4772. That is nearly 2,800 years after the so-called end of the world!

...There are many similar articles available--possibly worth researching Mesoamerican culture in general for some perspective on their specific beliefs. With due respect to an astounding culture, I'd also like to mention the following:

The Aztec god Quetzalcoatl was prophesied to return to his followers across the sea, in a form resembling a fair-haired man with a beard. So, when the conquistador Cortez stepped off his ship in 1519, the natives offered little resistance, believing him to be the reincarnation of their long-awaited deity. Taking advantage of this prophecy, the Spanish conquered and enslaved the Aztecs and Mayans in roughly three years.

I hesitate to suggest that this story indicates anything about the validity of Mayan predictions, but I feel it may be worth keeping in mind.

About Biblical end-times prophecies, these are largely a matter of personal opinion and an article of faith for many people, I understand, which makes them understandably resistant to alternate views. However... it may be worth investigating the Historist interpretations of the book of Revelations, as well as reviewing all the previous world happenings that have been linked to "End Times," including the shocking number of suggested Antichrists and Beasts and what-not.

As I recall from my Sunday School classes, one of the statements made by the central figure of Christianity was that "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Having said all that, I'm not one for debate or conversion, so am unlikely to respond to any comments on this--I just wanted to present some other viewpoints. Be well.