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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Let's be real...
In these all to common place political debates we have got to start policing our own..
When some one on the opposing political faction uses A logical fallacy...then some one on their political side, needs to be the one who corrects them...
It does neither side any good to allow easily debunked logical fallacies to become talking points for your political faction..
Anyone who ever passed a high school debate class knows they are not real points.. they are meaningless garbage.
(Here is a list of debate no no's that for obvious reasons are not considered valid points and would get you laughed out of any organized debates)
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10 most common logical fallacies:
Ad Hominem: This occurs when an author attacks his opponent instead of his opponent’s argument.
Example: Trina thinks guns should be outlawed but Trina doesn’t go to church, so we shouldn’t listen to her
Ad Populum: Ad Populum attempts to prove an argument as correct simply because many people believe it to be so.
Example: 80% of people are for the death penalty, therefore, the death penalty is moral.
Appeal to Authority: In this fallacious argument, the author claims his argument is right because someone famous or powerful supports it.
Example: We should change the drinking age because Einstein believed that 18 was the proper drinking age
Begging the Question: This happens when the author’s premise and conclusion say the same thing.
Example: Fashion magazines don’t hurt women’s self esteem because women’s confidence is intact after reading the magazine.
False Dichotomy: This fallacy rests on the assumption that there are only two possible solutions, so disproving one solution means that other solution should be utilized. It ignores other alternative solutions.
Example: The teacher gives too many A’s and therefore must be fired because grade inflation is unfair to other students
Hasty Generalization: Hasty Generalization occurs when the proponent uses too small of a sample size to support a sweeping generalization.
Example: Sally couldn’t find any cute clothes at the boutique and neither could Maura, so the boutique doesn’t have any cute clothes.
Post Hoc/ False Cause: This fallacy assumes that correlation equals causation or, in other words, if one event predicts another event it must have also caused the event.
Example: The football team gets better grades than the baseball team, therefore playing football makes you smarter than playing baseball.
Missing the Point: In Missing the Point, the premise of the argument supports a specific conclusion but not the one the author draws.
Example: Antidepressants are overly prescribed which is dangerous, so they should clearly be made illegal.
Spotlight Fallacy: This occurs when the author assumes that the cases that receive the most publicity are the most common cases.
Example: 90% of news reports talk about negative events. Therefore, it follows that 90% of events that occur in the real world are negative.
Straw Man: In this fallacy, the author puts forth one of his opponent’s weaker, less central arguments forward and destroys it, while acting like this argument is the crux of the issue.
Example: My opponent wants to increase teachers’ pay but studies have shown that professors with tenure don’t work as hard at their job to improve themselves.""
I cannot imagaine anyone would disagree with that list.. mainly because it is as old as humanity and has remained the go to list of points that "sound good" but mean nothing..
So if you truely do think your "side " is correct, then the sooner we get to actual points and counterpoints based on logic and reason, the sooner we might actually get something done....
So if you really do believe in your argument I beseech y'all to police your own.. when it comes from your own side people listen, when it comes from the opposition very few do..
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: JoshuaCox
ATS is my own, so I'll police everyone - and I expect the same in return.
So if you truely do think your "side " is correct, then the sooner we get to actual points and counterpoints based on logic and reason, the sooner we might actually get something done....
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman
Ps who cares about stars and flags on a bs conspiracy forum?!?!
I barely proof read lol and you think I care about my official rank or score.. I wouldn't even know where to find it lol.