Why Trump is president.

It is not a secret that the economies of the west are going down. Yes the stock market is going up, but it runs on rumour emotion and manipulation. The real state of the economy is to be found in real statistics. However as we know of late getting real information is very difficult. The Unemployment rate stated to be at about 4.5% is not a realistic figure. Its a lie. We know with nineteen trillion of debt, if the interest rate goes up slightly, rumour and emotion will overtake the manipulation of the stock market and it will then fall.
The fact is by accident or design, trump is the President and will end up being the fall guy, for the heavy fall which has just started to show up in the statistics.
China knows the exit door will be narrow in the event of a panic, that's why it is dumping bonds now. At some point when all the accountants get back from their holidays, a new round of closures will start, and more will be laid off, a wall and pipeline will not really cut it. The past administration has controlled the media, and kept everybody calm. But I think around March the panic will be well under way. As the retail figures are very sick now, and house sales are stalling. Have a look www.youtube.com...

a reply to: anonentity

I thought this was the reason...

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: HerbertMountainDew

It also doesn't help that the begining of the college loan issues are getting louder with the Navient loan issue.

That's 300 billion dollars in college loan debt they alone have with their clients.

Navient which was Sallie Mae until a spin off occured most likely like other companies after bad press, to sidestep that with a new name.

Navient College Loan Scandal

Navient's total assets were 186 billion in 2014, now it's 300 billion ?!?!

Leman Brothers when they went down, were valued at around 687 billion, if was widely thought that when they fell, it triggered the recession of 2008 to occur, there were other factors as well, but it was all those bad loans to people who otherwise couldn't afford them that caused this.

( sound like anything else? maybe college loans to people who now can't find work in a economy that isn't as well off as we were told )

This has some of the writting on the wall that 2008 did.

a reply to: anonentity

I have a feeling you are very correct. The question, how long can they keep it bolstered up as such? And WILL the Fed. even raise interest rates if things are as this fragile?

a reply to: FamCore


An interest rate rise will be a trigger, that fires the gun. Then they might have to keep putting the interest rates up, because all the real damage will be done. So if say a large company is now unviable, and goes for bankruptcy, because of its debt load. It will be sold for cents in the dollar. The beneficiary will now have a viable company because its debt free, at a knock down price. This is probably how the reset will pan out, at least in the essential industries and non essential ones that could be viable without the debt load.
The housing market will reset as well, its really going down now in many countries since xmas. But probably in this case when they are rock bottom they will be bought up for rentals. If too many jobs go the problem moves on to something else. Thirty per cent real unemployment seems to be the limit, anything more invites political change. But this is new ground in a new Post Industrial age, with, more and more jobs going to automation. So political change might be inevitable anyway

a reply to: anonentity

What do you think for a timeline before these big changes, 3 months, 6 months, 1 year?

And what statistics do you base that timeline on? Economists, that youtube video, historical patterns, or what?

Its underway now, small economies are raising interest rates now. He will have to manage it, if he doesn't want it to get out of control. A fiat system wont cut it, and a return to the Gold/silver standard will cause a default. But the only reason were looking at a 19 trillion debt, is that the country should have gone broke during the Vietnam war. Nixon did it!!
In three months it will have to be well underway, I think he will offer China a "Fantastic deal" Like the South China sea. It's probably been planned for years, if he drains the Swamp we will know he's winging it, if he doesn't then we know the reason the big money has been buying gold.
You know when Banks in Europe offer negative interest rates . The system is collapsing. My thoughts are based on why the internet is getting a good censoring, its the economy that's getting spun, and when it happens, it has to be effective across the board it wont work if to many people are sitting on Gold and silver, because they will get pretty rich fast, when /if, it stops becoming a Fiat system.

a reply to: FamCore

(Must see highly recommended)
and www.youtube.com... he fiat can only last until the falling interest rates hit nil interest, it's hitting that in some countries, since the economies are Globalised, the infection is spreading.

I know absolutely nothing of economics but conspiracy theorists have been predicting all sorts of crashes for years and years and years now.

So what's different this time around?

a reply to: DeadMoonJester


Simply put the debt level is now at a point where it cant be repaid. It has now stalled the economy.

a reply to: anonentity

I see...


And what kind of consequences would this have on our actual day to day lives? How extreme would a "collapse" like this be do you think?

Another Economic Guessing Game Thread.. sigh.

The truth is that all economies go up and down before they eventually die-off.

The Roman Empire thought their economic ups and downs were VERY IMPORTANT.

But look where they are now. EXTINCT.

THE SAME WILL BE TRUE OF THE "WESTERN" Economies. Up then Down then Up then Down, then GONE!