Emergency Plan by UK Government spy on us.

a reply to: ksarge1

The only reason this law is being passed is so the elite can protect themselves. They have been caught too many times snooping illegally, so their solution is to make it legal. Also, they get up to so many vile and disgusting things, they can snoop on potential whistle-blowers and silence them before they spill the beans. I also would not be surprised if corporations have access to the data for marketing purposes too.

This has little to do with protecting us from "terrorists" or pedophiles, which is the angle the BBC were spinning this in. If it were, then the government would need to snoop on themselves because they are full of both groups.

I cant wait for this corrupt, vile government to burn. Its long overdue.

originally posted by: Firefly_
a reply to: ksarge1

The only reason this law is being passed is so the elite can protect themselves. They have been caught too many times snooping illegally, so their solution is to make it legal. Also, they get up to so many vile and disgusting things, they can snoop on potential whistle-blowers and silence them before they spill the beans. I also would not be surprised if corporations have access to the data for marketing purposes too.

This has little to do with protecting us from "terrorists" or pedophiles, which is the angle the BBC were spinning this in. If it were, then the government would need to snoop on themselves because they are full of both groups.

I cant wait for this corrupt, vile government to burn. Its long overdue.

Which government are you talking about? The laws discussed go back to Labour and all three main political parties have agreed to it. You seem to be spouting rhetoric for the sake of it and you clearly haven't read up on the actual law. Does anyone actually read facts before making a post? Would kind of validate their opinion.

a reply to: uncommitted

Why would you make a distinction between the parties? Same agenda, same bull#, different faces. It makes no difference what party is in power. They are all corrupt, self-serving psychopaths and the majority of laws are made to protect them and their sponsors. This is no exception.

originally posted by: Firefly_
a reply to: uncommitted

Why would you make a distinction between the parties? Same agenda, same bull#, different faces. It makes no difference what party is in power. They are all corrupt, self-serving psychopaths and the majority of laws are made to protect them and their sponsors. This is no exception.

Ok, keep spouting rhetoric with nothing behind it. You know such posts while seeming populist actually make things no better, actually worse don't you?

I find it disturbing that the government knew about this in April. It is now being railroaded through parliament without debate or scrutiny. This is not democracy.

It might be timed with the Scottish Independence debate. The Tories will be desperate keen for Scotland to vote yes and sail away, taking with it 59 Labour MPs from Westminster for the loss of only 1 of their own seats.

And I've long suspected in the run up to the Independence Vote, that Westminster will troll out a bunch of policies that are quite specifically designed to make we Scots say enough is enough of this stinking corrupt cesspool that is Westminster.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

If only you could write to your MP and expect anything to happen..instead he's too busy loosing files/ taking bribes/faking expenses/covering up for colleagues who are criminals themselves.

I think it is fair to say that if less than 1% of the population is involved in terrorism yet all need to be monitored; we have a very serious case for the tagging of all politicians and the installation of 24/7 video and audio monitoring on all institutions that accept taxpayer funding...how can that not be on the table if the monitoring of innocent citizens is??

With a bit of luck, the same people who are setting this up may get caught in their own trap. They can't use the excuse that emails have gone missing anymore. The data is retained. Sooner or later these corrupt officials will slip up and then we can shove the evidence of their activities in their faces

The more they try to spy the more i hide and poke my finger in the eyes of anyone peeking into my letter box or door cracks.

You all need to read my findings on WPA Wi-fi routers being hacked in seconds that I just posted

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: ksarge1

The government will subsidise this if it is indeed for counter-terrorism and crime prevention.

Lol

The government have always wanted to do this for the past 20 years. Every time, the ISP's pointed out that they really couldn't afford to archive that data. The government tried a compromise; emails only and web-pages, but even that was too much given the size of email attachments. In the end they had to settle for meta-data like the to and from addresses and subject titles.

Just a small forum web-page takes up 500 Kilobytes of space. Downloading a DVD movie or Linux ISO file would take 4 Gigabytes of data. A Youtube video is around 4 Megabytes. It would just take an incredible amount of storage for an ISP to save all the data for over 10 million customers.

You might want to read about a technology call Phorm or deep-packet inspection. The ISP would have a little black box sit in their network room somewhere, and all network traffic to individual customers would be analyzed for keywords which would then be used to select advert slots in webpages.

a reply to: uncommitted

I think you should take a look at the general consensus on this ruling/law/re-application, even on the BBC comments list there were over 2300 comments and I would guess at 98% were people that were beyond annoyed at this (they stopped comments at this point). We all know that every single attachment/phone call cannot in reality be recorded or kept on site as the costs would be astronomical. I suggest you look up metadata and why this is very important in the grand scheme of things, i'll give you an insight:
•They know you rang a adult fun service at 2:24 am and spoke for 18 minutes. But they don't know what you talked about.
•They know you called the suicide prevention hotline from the Golden Gate Bridge. But the topic of the call remains a secret.
•They know you spoke with an HIV testing service, then your doctor, then your health insurance company in the same hour. But they don't know what was discussed.
•They know you received a call from the local NRA office while it was having a campaign against gun legislation, and then called your senators and congressional representatives immediately after. But the content of those calls remains safe from government intrusion.
•They know you called a gynaecologist, spoke for a half hour, and then called the local Planned Parenthood's number later that day. But nobody knows what you spoke about.

www.eff.org...


The UK Government is at an all time low in peoples opinion, due to cover-ups, expense scandals, foreign policy (arming terrorist). Any normal awake person in the UK can see straight through the lies and corruption at the top level, the greed of these people is absolutely astonishing and they want to keep it that way.

Don't particularly like Franky Boyle...but...



and....


Rainbows
Jane

Spying on us to protect us Mafia style ! never

Our ISPs can and do intercept HTTPS/SSL traffic all the time and now the cat is out the bag

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I use a VPN most the time but when I want to be real secure I use the Tor network and yes they can sniff packets at the exit nodes but they don't know who is requesting the data and anything is better than letting your ISP record, inspect and copy your every move.

Lets demand laws to inspect politicians bank accounts because if they can be brought then thats a national security isue and we all know that a lot of that is going on but talking or screaming about it is like a sheep going bbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr in the middle of a field and wont cfhange a darn thing

originally posted by: earthblaze
I find it disturbing that the government knew about this in April. It is now being railroaded through parliament without debate or scrutiny. This is not democracy.

Amen to that one.

The tree of democracy needs blood now and again and i hope I live to see it.

a reply to: ksarge1

Well, that's interesting. You do know this is about the UK, yeah? The NRA is an American organisation, why would you suggest I call them? If you look through the rest of your examples they are all equally poor.... hmmm, so, do you have an actual point to make?

originally posted by: robbo961

originally posted by: Jukiodone

If only you could write to your MP and expect anything to happen..instead he's too busy loosing files/ taking bribes/faking expenses/covering up for colleagues who are criminals themselves.

I think it is fair to say that if less than 1% of the population is involved in terrorism yet all need to be monitored; we have a very serious case for the tagging of all politicians and the installation of 24/7 video and audio monitoring on all institutions that accept taxpayer funding...how can that not be on the table if the monitoring of innocent citizens is??

With a bit of luck, the same people who are setting this up may get caught in their own trap. They can't use the excuse that emails have gone missing anymore. The data is retained. Sooner or later these corrupt officials will slip up and then we can shove the evidence of their activities in their faces

Then they'll make up some other new law to protect themselves. I'm sure they already have it covered. They are like the bully kid who always changes the rules of the game so they will always win, and when they cant, or lose, they get nasty.

Sure there will be slip ups, but they will make scapegoats of expendable people to appease the masses, such as has been done with Rolf Harris, and continue on while learning from their mistakes - not to realise they did wrong - but to figure out how not to get caught again.

The only way these animals will get what's coming to them is when people wake up and realise the true nature of current law, and decide to no longer be held prisoner by all the corrupt laws. This is unlikely to happen though as far too many people, such as police, lawyers, judges, military, and others, would rather make a living by propping up the system than doing the right thing by their fellow man.

a reply to: uncommitted
So by monitoring and applying the law, the UK government are not going to be collecting metadata? I think that if you believe that you are very, very naïve. No points are valid? OK, its not on par is it? The UK doesn't bow to their USA maters? OK. I'll agree to disagree. The NSA and GCHQ don't work together? OK. I didn't used to work in those circles? OK. Take a look at the actual law and you will see that additional caveats (since the emergency amendment) have been added from the original law its readily available online in many popular search engines, don't be afraid just open you eyes and mind, you will see soon enough.

I don't know about the UK but this basic idea is certainly not new. I've been hearing it tossed around in the media for years. The last time I heard anything about it, I seem to recall that it was Dick Cheney who had said that this is what should be done. And I think it was the same basic idea because I know I recall the time period for which the data should be retained was one year in every case.

Of course we know that if they can store that much data for a year, they can probably keep it for as long as they want. Who's going to make sure they get rid of it? My guess is they'll keep everything. Forever.

Kind of sounds lame. It's Great Britian. Thery have NSA doing all they're spying anyway. It's cheaper to sub-contract ! BUt here's a way to Stick IT TO THE MAN. Don't use your cellphone. Don't use your home phone. Do not answer a phone. Phone companies pay big bucks to politicians (Leeches), so when they start losing profit, the leeches will come around. And really, is all that phone usage necessary? of course, I'm talking about the "burn" phone like I have. I am om my 3rd new cell phone number in about 6 months, and it only costs me 20 bucks ! If you own a "smart" phone, it's already too late. There is NOTHING that NSA/GCHQ DOESN'T know about you by now.

Respectfully submitted, former servant of the Dark Lords at NSA and they're evil overlord, NIWON !

originally posted by: ksarge1
a reply to: uncommitted
So by monitoring and applying the law, the UK government are not going to be collecting metadata? I think that if you believe that you are very, very naïve. No points are valid? OK, its not on par is it? The UK doesn't bow to their USA maters? OK. I'll agree to disagree. The NSA and GCHQ don't work together? OK. I didn't used to work in those circles? OK. Take a look at the actual law and you will see that additional caveats (since the emergency amendment) have been added from the original law its readily available online in many popular search engines, don't be afraid just open you eyes and mind, you will see soon enough.

That's nice and patronising of you. The point was that the NRA is an American lobbying group promoting gun porn to make more profit, why would someone in the UK call them?

Your other points were a mixture of ridiculous and/or irrelevant. Do you really have such a high opinion of yourself that you think anyone would give a crap if you rang an adult fun service line? The only people who would be interested in that are the ones that could scam your card.