Have people on ATS gone mad about Bush?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

To suggest that the Bush administration was in any way complicit with or or was the orchestrator of the 9/11 attacks is just a paranoid delusion, hardly worthy of discussion, except as symptomatic of mental illness.


[edit on 04/9/1 by GradyPhilpott]

The definition of sanity is a powerful thing.

Im with you Carseller4, we are still cleaning up the foreign policy mess Clinton created years ago(or lack thereof). He closed military bases, spread out what military we had too thin and under equipped (Ever heard of Black Hawk Down?), never added to the FBI,CIA and covert operations around the world. Military personnel retired early just to get out from under the Clinton rule. From a military standpoint, I have seen several pictures of military personnel shaking hands with Bill or Hiliary with one hand and crossing their fingers on the other as a sign to others that they were forced to shake for the press pics. As for you Slank desertion of duties in the Whitehouse? Apparently you haven't read Dereliction of Duty. It was a book written by and Air Force Officer, telling of first hand accounts of Clinton having many opportunities to capture or eliminate Osama Bin Laden but turned them down.

Call me crazy, I don't care. The round Earth was an insane notion at one time. The Sun at the center of the Universe was another insane notion at one time.

THE CIA DEALS AND IMPORTS DRUGS:

The San Jose Mercury News did a series of articles later picked up by McNeil Lerher News Hour, Washington Post and Los Angeles Times

"For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of coc aine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to a Latin American guerrilla army run by the US Central Intelligence Agency." So begins the controversial three part series, published last August, by Gary Webb in the San Jose Mercury News.

www.pbs.org...

Here is an affidavit from helicopter pilot of the US Army from 1982 to 1986 Dois Gene Tatum of the CIA importing Drugs into the US from Central America.

Among these activities were rampant drug smuggling into the United States involving people in control of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the armed forces of the United States, among others.

www.wethepeople.la...

Here is Michael Ruppert former LA narcotics officer who has tried for years to tell the story of CIA's involvment in supplying drug in US:

MICHAEL C. RUPPERT is a former Los Angeles Police Department narcotics officer who for over twenty years has been trying to bring to public attention his first-hand knowledge of CIA complicity in the drug trade flooding our inner cities with hard drugs as an apparent covert funding mechanism for the weapons trade for destabilizing populations around the world for their economic exploitation.

www.angelfire.com...

This is from a Memorandum sent to Robert W. Markle United States Attorney:
Here is Paublo Escobar Gaviria (a questionable source, but with little reason to lie) saying Bush used to deal with drug importers, but had since become tough.

". . . Bush is a traitor who used to deal with "us" but now he is tough.

www.wethepeople.la...
In a subsequent page of the same document

According to Rudd, Escobar stated that the cartel then off-loaded the guns, put coc aine aboard the planes and the coc aine was taken to United States military base(s)

Rudd has stated that while Escobar did not say the CIA was involved in the exchange of guns for coc aine, that was the tenor of the conversation.

www.wethepeople.la...

This is from the murder case of Barry Seal and his involvment with CIA and oddly enough associates Al Gore with the sentencing phase of the trial.
Samuel S. Dalton Attorney in his affidavit

. . . uncovered what he suspected was a plot by CIA, Barry Seal and the Contras of the ownership of a surplus Navy Minesweeper called the "Stark" later changed to "Condor" based off the coast of California;

www.wethepeople.la...
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Originally posted by ChemKid
Im with you Carseller4, we are still cleaning up the foreign policy mess Clinton created years ago(or lack thereof). He closed military bases, spread out what military we had too thin and under equipped (Ever heard of Black Hawk Down?), never added to the FBI,CIA and covert operations around the world. Military personnel retired early just to get out from under the Clinton rule. From a military standpoint, I have seen several pictures of military personnel shaking hands with Bill or Hiliary with one hand and crossing their fingers on the other as a sign to others that they were forced to shake for the press pics. As for you Slank desertion of duties in the Whitehouse? Apparently you haven't read Dereliction of Duty. It was a book written by and Air Force Officer, telling of first hand accounts of Clinton having many opportunities to capture or eliminate Osama Bin Laden but turned them down.

There are so many misconceptions in here I can't respond to them all. Let's start with 'stretching the military too thin.' Never during the Clinton years did the DoD have to implement stop-loss: using the law to keep soldiers from leaving the service or retiring, or bringing them back in from the IRR. That is happening now under Bush. So much for your 'Clinton stretched the military too far' rubbish.

As far as Somalia, the Blackhawk Down debacle was entirely the fault of the officers who planned that raid. George Bush is the one who put US troops into that country in December, 1992 without a clear mission. The military operations in Haiti and Bosnia under Clinton were far more succesful. We now have 1,000 dead, minimum, in the Iraq War, with no WMDs found and major combat going on 18 months after the CIC declared the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Sorry, but you're sorely misinformed about the comparitive condition of the US military under Clinton and Bush Jr.

Yes the "War On Terror," can be won, redirecting honest people towards the Federal Government within the Federal Government to detect any inkling of typical Hegalian tactics, such as proposed in Project Northwoods.

The current solution to look at all the people outside the government only, is false, dangerous and wrong in every way. All so called "Homeland Security," can do is cover up more of the same, which gains it continuing doubled fundings, an incentive to carry out more fear and war mongering Hagelian tactics. Problem-Reaction-Solution is the problem, and "government is the problem," as stated by Ronald Reagan. I only wish he could have politically done more things he really wanted to do to reduce the size of government and its intrusion on all our lives. You would not see Ronald Reagan hiring a former KGB man to run programs for so called "Homeland Security," not then and now in this day and age. What is the matter with our government these days? Go figure, but study deeply and look for what can be verified and backed with facts.

[edit on 2-9-2004 by SkipShipman]