Right in our face

a reply to: Justoneman

Can you post evidence of the lies and that this isn't about cancer research?

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: chr0naut
The real problem is people who believed and still believe lies the gov told you. Plain and simple problem that people who can and do think for themselves discover by observing. I am sure robots and shills don't wish to agree with the facts that destroy their "programming"...

Are you programmed? Perhaps so, but you sure as hell don't want to admit it here. I do hope you find some reason to change your view based on data and not the lies. We see the situation as data was avoided, then it became obvious that people with that data that contradicts the lies were marginalized. The patterns are textbook as are your responses.

I am an Australian born citizen, living in New Zealand.

How did your government indoctrinate me?

How, indeed, did your government indoctrinate you?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: chr0naut

I think the key thing here is how doom-porn believing conspiracy theorists make inferential links that don't exactly exist, and then get all wide eyed and paranoid about them.

Yeah, research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 70s and the first mRNA vaccines for Rabies were tested in humans in 2013 and later on an Ebola virus vaccine was created, but a lot of people seemed to have glossed over that??

Clinical Trials

Messenger RNA (mRNA)-Based, Personalized Cancer Vaccine Against Neoantigens Expressed by the Autologous Cancer

Background:

Exome sequencing can identify certain gene mutations in a person's tumor. This can then be used to create cancer treatments. In this study, researchers will make a treatment called a messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccine. The vaccine might cause certain tumors to shrink.

Objective:

To see if the mRNA vaccine is safe and can cause metastatic melanoma or epithelial tumors to shrink.

Additionally, Moderna was set up in 2010 specifically to look at how the new science of genomics might lead to new medicines. The mRNA vaccines are one expression of that use of genomics to generate new medicines.

It is no coincidence that a company set up specifically to do that research and to come up with new medicines based upon that premise, two years later were publishing patents for it, and 9 years later had products.

a reply to: chr0naut

You agree it takes a couple years to create a product to patent and approximately 9 years to have the product on the market in this industry.

How can you explain how the vaccine was available from the "noval coronavirus" within a year?

originally posted by: litterbaux
a reply to: chr0naut

You agree it takes a couple years to create a product to patent and approximately 9 years to have the product on the market in this industry.

How can you explain how the vaccine was available from the "noval coronavirus" within a year?

In the last decade, we have made advances in genetics to the point that commercial companies will now sell you an analysis of your personal genome for less than $1,000. Personal genomics From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. You give them a sample and they deliver the results in under a month.

The average length of a human genome is 3,054,815,472 base pairs. The average length of the strains of SARS-CoV-2 virus is 29,900 base pairs. The human genome is more than 102,167 times longer than the virus, and they can map a lot of that in a month. The same technologies applied to a relatively tiny genome can deliver results in a fraction of the time that they would in a larger genome.

This means that the new technologies can deliver results very rapidly, compared to what they could do a decade earlier. Sequencing SARS-CoV-2 can be done in hours. Of course, that is only one part of the delivery of completed viable mRNA vaccines.

a reply to: chr0naut

You can feel better that you typed 978 words.

You still didn't answer the question.

originally posted by: litterbaux
a reply to: chr0naut

You can feel better that you typed 978 words.

You still didn't answer the question.

Because that's how long it took, not only once, but for about 300 times in separate countries and companies across the planet, and also by using different methods and designs.

Please identify any vaccine ever in history that specifically took 10 years or longer to develop and test before use.

a reply to: chr0naut

Development of the Salk vaccine. Researchers began working on a polio vaccine in the 1930s, but early attempts were unsuccessful. An effective vaccine didn't come around until 1953, when Jonas Salk introduced his inactivated polio vaccine

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: chr0naut

Development of the Salk vaccine. Researchers began working on a polio vaccine in the 1930s, but early attempts were unsuccessful. An effective vaccine didn't come around until 1953, when Jonas Salk introduced his inactivated polio vaccine

The polio virus was not successfully cultivated in human tissue until 1949, which won Thomas Weller and Frederick Robbins of Boston Children's Hospital the Nobel Prize in 1954.

Until they could culture the virus, they could not produce inactivated, attenuated, or killed versions of the pathogen in sufficient amounts to produce a vaccine.

Jonas Salk was not the first one to produce a polio vaccine. The first proof of concept polio vaccine was actually shown in 1950 by Hilary Koprowski, which was different to Salk's, being an oral, rather than injected, and inactivated, rather than killed, vaccine.

Another oral, attenuated live culture polio vaccine was introduced in 1961 by Albert Sabin. The oral vaccines were not approved for use in the US but were used effectively in other countries. I had the Sabin oral vaccine when I was a child in Australia. I also had the Salk vaccine shots.

Even in the US, Salk's vaccine was developed within 4 years polio being cultured, and was in use there two years later.