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They are mainly discussing that one achieve perfect, vital health on a meat only diet.
You are missing another important point.
The animal based toxins are externally sourced - the antibiotics, the hormones and grains they are force fed to increase body weight, the lack of sunshine, free pastures to roam with clean grass without pesticides, etc etc ad nauseum.
Meaning, they have no naturally occurring toxins.
Plant based toxins also have external toxins (pesticides, etc), but they also have naturally occurring toxins that you can't escape. Some can be minimized by cooking, and people have differing tolerances to different ones, but almost all plants have some level of toxins that you can't get away from.
Plant based toxins also have external toxins (pesticides, etc), but they also have naturally occurring toxins that you can't escape. Some can be minimized by cooking, and people have differing tolerances to different ones, but almost all plants have some level of toxins that you can't get away from.
The problem is, once someone has incorporated an idea to the point it becomes a religion (not saying you have, but I'm starting to wonder), it is almost impossible for them to change it.
originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: tanstaafl
... but I think there's also some underlying leap of belief in... plants apparently being TERRIBLE, dangerously toxic. I think it's a leap that's off track. Even though I acknowledged the accuracy of several ideas that each person mentions... short of that one leap, which is apparently the underlying basis of their beliefs and your beliefs.
I think it's a leap that's basically impossible to prove or even try to prove,
I'm glad that basically everything else short of that, seems realistic and accurate, re: things like fasting, diet changing for clearing up health problems, etc.
(I haven't read or responded to the entire length of your posts so I will continue later on.)
originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: tanstaafl
"Plant based toxins also have external toxins (pesticides, etc), but they also have naturally occurring toxins that you can't escape. Some can be minimized by cooking, and people have differing tolerances to different ones, but almost all plants have some level of toxins that you can't get away from."
Here I'm being a little redundant, but to recap: I think this is the leap of faith / leap of belief, which can't really be objectively established as meaningful. That is, the belief that veg. foods are extremely toxic in general, and should therefore be avoided.
Especially compared to the self-evident truth of meat actually being completely more toxic to us, as per its animal-based germs, microorganisms, animal hormones & chemicals, etc.
However, I am going to read more about the doctors mentioned because I want to see why exactly this line of thinking has caught on like this.
But first impressions are that each doctor is on-point with a handful of things like fasting, weight-loss, etc. but yet these accurate concepts don't establish the one big leap of faith against veg. food, altogether, imo.
Because if we really need to eat meat, then there'd be no possibility to consider vegetarianism as an option.
I guess you missed the point that almost all current carnivores did, many for many years, meny even fighting trying the carnivore for philosophical reason... until they did, and the results they had simply could not be ignored.
In point of fact, Dr. Saladino was raw vegan, and only tried carnivore to disprove it, initially planning on staying on it a short time.
originally posted by: JamesChessman
Hey I can imagine the various responses but I thought it might be interesting to hear from people anyway.
I’ve grown a bad habit of getting fast food from McDonald’s and Burger King but the good thing is that my choices are limited to coffee (black), and fries, and BK has decent veggie burgas.
So I wonder if people think that this might be OK for my health, considering that I’m still vegetarian and I’m basically eating the best possible things from each place lol.
Or do you guys think I’m still harming my health with this?
The worst thing about this habit might just be the obvious high fat of the fries etc. being cooked, and also high sodium, but I could care less about that!!
But I’m wondering if people think that there’s something else wrong with it lol, like do you think the cooking oil itself has some problem beyond the fact of being oil? Do u imagine toxic chemicals or something in the fries and veggie burgers?
I imagine the coffee is pretty harmless unless people have a specific reason to think that there’s something wrong with it?
Asking because I actually do think that it’s making me feel kind of gross lol but I can’t quite decide what exactly it is...
originally posted by: mblahnikluver
originally posted by: JamesChessman
Hey I can imagine the various responses but I thought it might be interesting to hear from people anyway.
I’ve grown a bad habit of getting fast food from McDonald’s and Burger King but the good thing is that my choices are limited to coffee (black), and fries, and BK has decent veggie burgas.
So I wonder if people think that this might be OK for my health, considering that I’m still vegetarian and I’m basically eating the best possible things from each place lol.
Or do you guys think I’m still harming my health with this?
The worst thing about this habit might just be the obvious high fat of the fries etc. being cooked, and also high sodium, but I could care less about that!!
But I’m wondering if people think that there’s something else wrong with it lol, like do you think the cooking oil itself has some problem beyond the fact of being oil? Do u imagine toxic chemicals or something in the fries and veggie burgers?
I imagine the coffee is pretty harmless unless people have a specific reason to think that there’s something wrong with it?
Asking because I actually do think that it’s making me feel kind of gross lol but I can’t quite decide what exactly it is...
There is nothing decent about fast food. Have you ever left McDonald's fries out? They do not mold or anything, it makes you wonder what is really in them.. They stay the same... Also my pet rats will eat anything and I mean anything BUT they didn't want McD's fries, nor Wendy's or Chick Fil A. They don't like fast food at all! I think fast food is fine in moderation like all things. I eat organic and pretty damn healthy but sometimes I crave a burger from Wendy's or fries from McD's. I always pay for it with the shakes after I eat it but damn it tastes good. I have fast food maybe 3-5 times a year and most of the time I never finish it because fast food makes me shake with all the additives in it.
If you tend to eat healthier then eating fast food will make you feel like crap.