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Originally posted by paperclip
hmmm I see a woman, but not on Jesus' left, it is the first person on his right, female deffinitely. However, in the description of the picture, the person is labeled as "Johannes". I clearly see a female there.
Anyways, I have read Da Vinci Code, it is a briliant book, but a work of fiction after all. Though it does raise quite a few interesting questions about Da Vinci, about the Church, Mary Magdalene, christian doctrine, and of course the Holy Grail The explanation of what Holy Grail is makes a lot of sense, and the idea of codes hidden in artworks is also briliant. If you think about the times these people lived in, the only way you could leave something for the future generations, that is in conflict with ruling doctrine, is to code it.
Originally posted by Byrd
Chook's right -- it's a rather involved fiction, but it IS fiction. Remember that fiction writers like to do good research to make their stories plausible. People have noted the very feminine figure before (remember, the painting was cleaned in the past 40 years) but it's not female. It *may* be one of his young lovers, however.
Yes, da Vinci was apparently either bisexual or homosexual. And James is the disciple who "rested on Jesus' bosom" during that meal. And yes, there are some culturally sexual overtones in that. In a Greek or Roman context of that time, someone "sharing a couch" and "leaning against someone's bosom" would have also meant that some hanky-panky was going on.
Yeah, they did that sort of stuff at feasts. Racy lot, those old Romans and Greeks, and not a lot of bias about the gender of lovers.
In any case, if the disciple CLEARLY had been female, Michaelangelo would have been hauled up before the Pope or excommunicated and the painting would have been destroyed and someone else commissioned to do it. That, you see, would have been heresy.
The book's been around for a number of years and hasn't overturned Christianity... nor have the Dead Sea Scroll materials or the Nag Hammadi materials... and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by Netchicken
It doesn't matter, the pic of the last supper is JUST as fictional as Davinci codes.
Don't forget the painting was created at least 1400 years AFTER the last supper itself, so there is no link or secret information in it.
Read about the last suppr in the bible it didn't look anything like that at all anyway, they were all reclining on couches leaning on each other, not set out like birds on a wire.
Both are works of fiction....
Originally posted by paperclip
hmmm I see a woman, but not on Jesus' left, it is the first person on his right, female deffinitely. However, in the description of the picture, the person is labeled as "Johannes". I clearly see a female there.
Originally posted by Hamilton
Yes, and there's many other things in the picture aswell. There are two Jesuses here and Peter is holding a knife. John is depicted as a woman, the use of colors suggests links to the occult etc. etc. The part with John being depicted as a woman I think has to do with the idea that the Gospel of John infact is the memoirs of Miriam of Bethany aka Mary Magdalen, whom I believe may have been the wife of Jesjuah, who may indeed have carried forth princes and princesses to the house of Jesjuah who may have been able to hide from the Jewish elite and the Church during the Christian persecutions and the "herecy" persecutions.
Blessings,
Mikromarius aka Hamilton