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Is Pizzagate an actual "thing" or is it limited to ATS & a few other sites

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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: CrazyK22

I don't even watch or read MSM. And I was posting in the Spirit Cooking/Pizza Gate threads when they first arrived on ATS.

Don't tell me I haven't done my research simply because I came to a different conclusion than you.




posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: CrazyK22
I can't believe I'm saying this but they made a HUGE mistake not killing anyone in the shooting. If they had we wouldn't be having this discussion because it would of swiftly made us look worse then the pedo's themselves.


Give it time...Keep selling crazy BS to crazy people and eventually you will get the shooter you are waiting for.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: CrazyK22
a reply to: ColdWisdom

I'm backing TheFlyOnTheWall 100% it's becoming evidently clear those that bash the #pizzagate community have done next to nothing to investigate it themselves, and are basing their assumptions on MSM.


Wrong. I am ignoring what people are saying that cannot be substantiated and trying to get to first hand sources. There are no Podesta emails linking Comet Ping Pong and Soros. None. There are many mentions of "pizza," usually in a context that makes it clear they are talking about actual pizza. There are some code words and jokes thrown around. A "lollipop," for example, is clearly from the context a text message containing a new talking point to be brought up. (Search the emails. I have.)

As for the "damning" video. You have a drunk and probably stoned gay musician rambling on about "boys." So what? He calls all young men "boys." There is ambiguity surrounding when the bands played there. Heavy Breathing may have played both family and adults only sets.
edit on 5-12-2016 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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I appreciate and respect the responses and I'm glad people at least research it before forming an opinion. There will always be two sides of an argument, and the only reason we are extra heated today is the pathetic attempt to bury it with this "shooter". I just feel like the AR-15 is a smack in the faces of all the falseflag accusations and has got me PO'd.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Darkmadness

Have you not been frequenting these threads? I can't count the number of times people have been called pedophile supporters because they didn't buy into the Pizzagater narrative.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dashen

Oh my, you are right!

Now that you mention the Jared/Subway jokes I have to rethink my position because that topples my entire perception of this scandal!

You have no idea what they meant by the Jared jokes. You are projecting your own interpretations into this conspiracy which prevents you from looking at it objectively.

If you want to be a detective, get a degree in criminology, or forensics, or become a criminal defense attorney. But without being any of those, your investigative skills will suffer.


Ahhh yes
Only "trained by the state" detectives and criminologists can research crimes and only big MSM power brokers can give you the news.

All us amateurs need to sit down shut up and believe what were told to believe.

Seriously mate if you cant at least see something fishy in all this stuff I reckon you might be a sanger short of a picnic



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dashen

Oh my, you are right!

Now that you mention the Jared/Subway jokes I have to rethink my position because that topples my entire perception of this scandal!

You have no idea what they meant by the Jared jokes. You are projecting your own interpretations into this conspiracy which prevents you from looking at it objectively.

If you want to be a detective, get a degree in criminology, or forensics, or become a criminal defense attorney. But without being any of those, your investigative skills will suffer.


Ahhh yes
Only "trained by the state" detectives and criminologists can research crimes and only big MSM power brokers can give you the news.

All us amateurs need to sit down shut up and believe what were told to believe.

Seriously mate if you cant at least see something fishy in all this stuff I reckon you might be a sanger short of a picnic


Well, I don't care who you are. You can't investigate a crime like this by browsing the internet.

The information available is too sparse, scattered, and subject to interpretation.

To really investigate, you need to do real detective work, which involves more than sitting in your office chair browsing the Web.

edit on 5-12-2016 by Greggers because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: DJW001


American Bridge PAC is largely funded by Democratic donors and labor unions. Billionaire hedge fund manager George Soros was the group’s largest donor for the 2012 and 2014 cycles, contributing $1 million in 2012 and over $1 million in 2014. In 2012, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees donated $575,000.[1] American Bridge was one of several progressive political groups to coordinate fundraising efforts for the 2012 elections.[8]

en.wikipedia.org...

docquery.fec.gov...


Next.

eta: while I'm at it. Didn't the MSM claim Alfentis said he never even met Hillary?
Friends of Hillary
edit on 5-12-2016 by TheFlyOnTheWall because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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How much you wanna bet the "shooter" claims he searched the building found no evidence gives an apology and again blames fake news for his actions?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: Darkmadness

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: dashen


Then may i direct you back to the video of the band heavy breathing openly joking about comet pizzas boy love preferences while in comet pizza


But again, you haven't proven that they made that video there.


At the start of the full video and they say at the start they are at Comet Pizza, the above is just a small clip from that video


The amount of evidence to support this theory is enormous.

To continue to ignore is a show of total willful ignorance it has nothing to do with looking at the data and following the bread crumbs.


The amount of evidence to refute this theory is enormous.

To continue to believe is a show of total willful ignorance it has nothing to do with looking at the data and/or following the bread crumbs...


See, I can do it too!

And my response was just as insulting, pointless and inflammatory as yours.

I think we should all accept the reality that different people have looked at the same evidence with equal conviction and come to completely different conclusions.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

No one is saying you can't use your resources on the internet to connect the dots in a major conspiracy.

Look at the Reddit/Stonetear scandal. That was actually brought up by the Congressional Oversight Conmittee.

What I am saying, is that using your own interpretation of the (assumed) code as evidence for pedophelia is not real investigating. It is conflation.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dashen

Oh my, you are right!

Now that you mention the Jared/Subway jokes I have to rethink my position because that topples my entire perception of this scandal!

You have no idea what they meant by the Jared jokes. You are projecting your own interpretations into this conspiracy which prevents you from looking at it objectively.

If you want to be a detective, get a degree in criminology, or forensics, or become a criminal defense attorney. But without being any of those, your investigative skills will suffer.


Ahhh yes
Only "trained by the state" detectives and criminologists can research crimes and only big MSM power brokers can give you the news.

All us amateurs need to sit down shut up and believe what were told to believe.

Seriously mate if you cant at least see something fishy in all this stuff I reckon you might be a sanger short of a picnic


Well, I don't care who you are. You can't investigate a crime by browsing the internet.


Yes you can, you may not be able to get all the proof you need for a conviction but you can definitely find evidence and other places to look, perhaps even turn up enough circumstantial evidence that the authorities have no choice but to investigate properly.

Ive seen more than enough to make me believe that there is something to this, Im open to the possibility its all BS but the more Ive seen and the more people attempt to censor it in one way or another the more convinced I become.

You yourself, are you convinced this is BS and were all crazy or are you open minded to the possibility theres something here?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
a reply to: DJW001


American Bridge PAC is largely funded by Democratic donors and labor unions. Billionaire hedge fund manager George Soros was the group’s largest donor for the 2012 and 2014 cycles, contributing $1 million in 2012 and over $1 million in 2014. In 2012, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees donated $575,000.[1] American Bridge was one of several progressive political groups to coordinate fundraising efforts for the 2012 elections.[8]

en.wikipedia.org...

docquery.fec.gov...


Next.


So? What's wrong with a PAC financing a fund raiser at a pizza place? George Soros supports liberal causes, so of course his PAC would support Clinton.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: dashen

Oh my, you are right!

Now that you mention the Jared/Subway jokes I have to rethink my position because that topples my entire perception of this scandal!

You have no idea what they meant by the Jared jokes. You are projecting your own interpretations into this conspiracy which prevents you from looking at it objectively.

If you want to be a detective, get a degree in criminology, or forensics, or become a criminal defense attorney. But without being any of those, your investigative skills will suffer.


Ahhh yes
Only "trained by the state" detectives and criminologists can research crimes and only big MSM power brokers can give you the news.

All us amateurs need to sit down shut up and believe what were told to believe.

Seriously mate if you cant at least see something fishy in all this stuff I reckon you might be a sanger short of a picnic


Well, I don't care who you are. You can't investigate a crime by browsing the internet.


Yes you can, you may not be able to get all the proof you need for a conviction but you can definitely find evidence and other places to look, perhaps even turn up enough circumstantial evidence that the authorities have no choice but to investigate properly.

Ive seen more than enough to make me believe that there is something to this, Im open to the possibility its all BS but the more Ive seen and the more people attempt to censor it in one way or another the more convinced I become.

You yourself, are you convinced this is BS and were all crazy or are you open minded to the possibility theres something here?


I edited my post, above, before your reply came in.

I won't go so far as to say I think it's BS and you're all crazy (heck, I don't call people crazy regardless), but I will say that the accusations at present simply are not supported by the available evidence in any satisfactory manner, and real people are being terrorized due to poorly supported innuendo and speculation.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why aren't any of the civilian groups that deal with pedophilia going near this? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have put away thousands of pedophiles and they're not touching this with a ten foot pole.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall


eta: while I'm at it. Didn't the MSM claim Alfentis said he never even met Hillary?


Not so far as I know. Can you find an example?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why aren't any of the civilian groups that deal with pedophilia going near this? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have put away thousands of pedophiles and they're not touching this with a ten foot pole.


Well, for one, the way this so-called investigation started is not how legitimate investigations begin. Generally, someone comes forward who experienced a crime, either directly as a victim or as a concerned spectator. Sometimes there are anonymous tips phoned in by people who don't want to be implicated.

Sometimes law enforcement will contact these groups for assistance.

Sometimes there is an active investigation trolling for pedos on the internet by the FBI or other groups, in the same way they round up people for child porn. Heck, I've read about honeypot servers on the Web being run out of D.C. that track everyone who views their content.

These groups don't get involved in wild conjecture about someone's taste in art and pizza... I'd be interested in hearing a representative from one of these groups speak on this matter, but I'm thinking they probably don't see anything to investigate.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why aren't any of the civilian groups that deal with pedophilia going near this? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have put away thousands of pedophiles and they're not touching this with a ten foot pole.


Are you open to the possibility they are in on it?
Pedophiles generally gravitate to places that they will have easy and unquestioned access to children, teachers, priests, coaches and yes even goverment employees working for human services and state run orphanages.

Add to that the people they would need to be investigating, Former presidents and 1st ladies, actors, pizza shop owners who are somehow listed as among the most powerful people in politics and its not quite as easy as picking up a few kiddie fiddlers who use the net to try and groom naive children.

Does this really need to be spelled out for you?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why aren't any of the civilian groups that deal with pedophilia going near this? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have put away thousands of pedophiles and they're not touching this with a ten foot pole.


Are you open to the possibility they are in on it?
Pedophiles generally gravitate to places that they will have easy and unquestioned access to children, teachers, priests, coaches and yes even goverment employees working for human services and state run orphanages.

Add to that the people they would need to be investigating, Former presidents and 1st ladies, actors, pizza shop owners who are somehow listed as among the most powerful people in politics and its not quite as easy as picking up a few kiddie fiddlers who use the net to try and groom naive children.

Does this really need to be spelled out for you?


Except, there are people in these organizations who have busted thousands of pedophiles collectively. And some of them are victims of abuse who would gladly hang on the cross to stop a child from being victimized.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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Can someone please say they archived the Instagram photo with the children bound and alefantis responding to a concerned Instagram friend that we at comet have a similar mindset, and let DJW001 see it. She practically says how can you employ anyone posting this type of art and that was his following response.



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