Photos: The Greatest Evidence UFOs Don't Exist

reply to post by ZetaRediculian

The schools headmaster Colin Mackie said to Cynthia Hind while she was looking through the drawings- "I believe the children saw something.... but my concerns are that their imaginations might have gotten a bit carried away."

This is hardly a slam dunk case. It's 100% reliant upon what the children have said. There are far too many conflicting descriptions.

I've said this before but, you undermine the enormity of an alien life form visiting Earth by entertaining these cases and accepting this low-level threshold of evidence. It's a shame people so easily buy into media hype and biased investigations. I guess it's the overwhelming desire to want to believe.

reply to post by Ectoplasm8

This is hardly a slam dunk case.

Yes, it is more like an air ball ...that went clear over the backboard.

This case in particular is odd because it is considered so "unexplainable" by people that believe in it and there really seems to be very little "challenge" to it.

Here is where it started:

Brighter
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

Let's begin by hearing your explanation for this case:

Ariel School, Zimbabwe Incident

If you're going to maintain the position that there is no good case to be put forward for the idea that at least some of these UFOs aren't "ours", then you need to provide an unequivocably solid explanation for at least this case, backed up by sufficient evidence to support your position.

Oh and by the way, just to preempt your perfunctory 'psychological' explanation, don't forget to address Dr. John Mack's assessment of the case, who happened to be a Professor at Harvard Medical School, and have attained his M.D. from Harvard as well).

And if you can't provide a sufficient explanation for this case, then I would advise that you begin taking this subject a little more seriously.

I think I have more than satisfied these requirements even though they were entirely unreasonable. Brighter seems to have taken his toys and gone home but he can feel free to ask me to clarify or elaborate on any point I made. He can bump the thread he linked also and we can continue there.

Do they have any detailed drawings of a craft? Is it a traditional sci-fi metal pan saucer? Or was it orange?

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But if there is a god then wouldn't he /she actually be classed as an alien.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian

Brighter
And if you can't provide a sufficient explanation for this case, then I would advise that you begin taking this subject a little more seriously.

"Seriously"? This from someone who believes a UFO landed in a school yard, beings got out and walked around in front and one stood on the roof, aliens communicated telepathically with a group of children giving them a message of world peace. You ask for evidence?... Because they all said so. That should be good enough for the scientific community!

It's laughable that his "unequivocably solid explanation" for this incident is solely based upon drawings by children that can't even describe the exact same thing. That's solid evidence? Your hippie explanation with a VW bus outweighs his by default. He has zero foundational basis for this to be aliens (or whatever since Brighter never commits to the term 'aliens'). Show us "unequivocable" physical evidence in the past of alien visitation first and then you have an equal argument that this possibly is an alien encounter. This incident alone does not give us definitive evidence, therefore you can't speak as it does asking for equal levels of evidence from the skeptic side. At this point, aliens are as likely as Tokoloshi, as you pointed out ZetaRediculian.

Brighter is suspiciously MIA. I'm interested to know his responses.

Specimen
Do they have any detailed drawings of a craft? Is it a traditional sci-fi metal pan saucer? Or was it orange?

-Football shaped.
-Round with spikes.
-Bright Halos.
-Oblong with a flat bottom and an antenna and door.
-Hat shaped with lots of windows.
-Oblong with landing gear and only a few windows.

Apparently many different models landed. Take your pick from the list above.

reply to post by Ectoplasm8

Your hippie explanation with a VW bus outweighs his

long hair, sunglasses, square windows and flutes equals hippies not aliens. Hopefully you understood the point was that the parts of the story I chose to include or ignore allows for ridiculous explanations, AKA loose associations.

the only thing we can say for sure was that there were children there and something scared them.

Ectoplasm8, what do you think about Kentucky Train Collision with Disk UFO, 2002 case ? It's pretty compelling.


www.ufocasebook.com...

ZetaRediculian
reply to post by Ectoplasm8

 

Your hippie explanation with a VW bus outweighs his

long hair, sunglasses, square windows and flutes equals hippies not aliens. Hopefully you understood the point was that the parts of the story I chose to include or ignore allows for ridiculous explanations, AKA loose associations.

Maybe a hippie van with a mural like this painted on the side:


Just saw a van at a hippie festival a few weeks ago with a nice airbrushed Saturn on it.

xavi1000
Ectoplasm8, what do you think about Kentucky Train Collision with Disk UFO, 2002 case ? It's pretty compelling.

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www.ufocasebook.com...

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As fun a story as this is, it's just more story time from a story teller with zero anything to corroborate, or legitimize this story as being more than just a story, possibly told around a real railroad incident, but otherwise just a story.

reply to post by thesearchfortruth


Ohhh ok, so wait - when you title your thread "Greatest Proof UFOs Don't Exist", you're not actually stating that UFOs don't exist, or that you consider UFO phenomena to be bunk? Guess the title of the thread is, you know, completely misleading.

Cheers, yo!

xavi1000
Ectoplasm8, what do you think about Kentucky Train Collision with Disk UFO, 2002 case ? It's pretty compelling.

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www.ufocasebook.com...

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It was a fairytale written by someone who had no clue how railroads operate of even how a train would react. CSX dispatcher asked them if they could limp into Paintsville yard 20 miles away.The problem is if they hit something that crushed two 100-ton locomotives and then hammers two 150-ton coal hoppers. Coal would have been slung everywhere would have required clean up. They would have to walk the train all the way to the rear over a mile checking for damage. And then would still have someone from CSX show up on the seen to approve moving the train they would never ask them to limp into a station. the other thing struck me as strange the minute the engine shut down the train would immediately start to break its unavoidable. So how can this train continue on and quietly collide with a UFO that UFO would have heard that train for miles its not quiet by any means.The reason i know this is my brother in law worked with CSX as a dispatcher i sent this to him a couple of years ago and he thought it was hilarious. Which i kept his email reply.

ZetaRediculian
reply to post by Ectoplasm8

 

Your hippie explanation with a VW bus outweighs his

long hair, sunglasses, square windows and flutes equals hippies not aliens. Hopefully you understood the point was that the parts of the story I chose to include or ignore allows for ridiculous explanations, AKA loose associations.

the only thing we can say for sure was that there were children there and something scared them.

Hippies, monkeys, Feynman's diagram van, or any Earthly suggestion win by default as a suggestion. As in they can be proven for a fact as existing. Aliens? Not so much.

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good call on the van

Taj Mikel
reply to post by thesearchfortruth

 

Ohhh ok, so wait - when you title your thread "Greatest Proof UFOs Don't Exist", you're not actually stating that UFOs don't exist, or that you consider UFO phenomena to be bunk? Guess the title of the thread is, you know, completely misleading.

Cheers, yo!

Someone who was unsure what to believe might start 2 piles of evidence- 1 titled "Greatest Proof that UFOs Exist", and the 2nd titled "Greatest Proof that UFOs Don't Exist". Doing so does not mean that they're in either camp. So no need for the snarky comment.

Why are there so few good photos compared to reports? Simple. The rate of "saucer" UFO sightings varies independently from any photos taken. The relatively few genuine photos indicate that UFO encounters are brief. Floods are rare events, but they last for more than five seconds. Plane crashes are rare too, but the plane isn't going anywhere after. It's no surprise photos can be taken of the wreckage, etc.

Here's the problem with UFO photos: In order to record a UFO, you need to take notice of it. Then follows an escalation of hypotheses. It's rare that a witness thinks they encountered a craft/BOL/etc. at first glance. Considerable time is spent figuring out what the object is first. When the witness reaches a conclusion, the craft is long gone by then. Even if you were to record it, the quality is very poor.

Genuine UFOs aren't usually seen flying over urban areas where passerby are likely to have a camera on them. According to Vallée, there's an apparent pattern of avoidance (Vallée 1990, pp. 3-4). It's an elusive phenomenon. So we can't expect photos to increase over time, nor should we.

Adequate-quality photos, let alone photos, are very rare for these reasons.

Think of the UFO as a rare species of animal. It's rarely photographed, but many photos have been hoaxed. It has a limited range of distribution, and there are more reported sightings than photos. Craft UFOs appear to few witnesses also.

Now, the number of photos/videos alleged to be UFOs has definitely increased with the proliferation of cameras. Any statement to the contrary is either ignorant or a blatant lie. Look at any YouTube video. But no one disputes that plane wreckage is plane wreckage. We don't know what "saucer" UFOs are. They could be alien, time-travelers, inter-dimensional, etc.

And no photo will convince a skeptic, so it's stupid to rely on that as evidence. We don't need photos to verify the reality of UFOs.

Specimen
reply to post by Harte

 

A bird, a plane, super man, or venus. It still a movin white dot

White Dot this!

www.youtube.com...

waltwillis

Specimen
reply to post by Harte

 

A bird, a plane, super man, or venus. It still a movin white dot

White Dot this!

www.youtube.com...

I didn't see a white dot. Admnittedly, I didn't waste my time throroughly examining the clip frame by frame.

Harte

RUInsane

Now, the number of photos/videos alleged to be UFOs has definitely increased with the proliferation of cameras. Any statement to the contrary is either ignorant or a blatant lie. Look at any YouTube video. But no one disputes that plane wreckage is plane wreckage. We don't know what "saucer" UFOs are. They could be alien, time-travelers, inter-dimensional, etc.

And no photo will convince a skeptic, so it's stupid to rely on that as evidence. We don't need photos to verify the reality of UFOs.

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The QUALITY of alleged ufo photos certainly has decreased!!!

reply to post by Harte


Sadly, I somewhat did go through the frames. Not a single white dot.