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Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnPassant
or Hitler's Germany
Sigh.
Hitler believed he was doing god's work. He was religious. It's right there in his Mein Kampf. The Nazis wore belts inscribed with 'God Is With Us'.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
— Adolf Hitler
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
— Adolf Hitler
"I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Almighty Creator. By fighting the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work."
— Adolf Hitler
First show me the exact post where I called homosexuals ''degenerates''. Answer - I DID NOT. You put words in my mouth. And you are misrepresenting...so I need not play your games.
@Krazysh0t...prove that homosexuality or anything else you consider "degenerate" is truly degenerate WITHOUT a religious text.
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by frazzle
But when it comes to a book written by man that details good life ways, you just about can't do better than the Qur'an whether you're Muslim or not, but that's just me.
Unless you're a woman.
If you haven't found better than you haven't read many books.
Krazysh0tJust like you can point out evil secular societies, I can point out evil non-secular societies. So try again there buddy.
As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them .... " (which is clarified as "beating them lightly", whatever that means.)
Krazysh0t
reply to post by frazzle
You know it's funny how you produced an alternate translation of the Qur'an passage that was shown and it STILL talks about abusing women. You even admitted to it:
As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them .... " (which is clarified as "beating them lightly", whatever that means.)
FYI, it means exactly what it sounds like. If you fear your woman stepping out of line, beat her.
frazzle
Krazysh0t
reply to post by frazzle
You know it's funny how you produced an alternate translation of the Qur'an passage that was shown and it STILL talks about abusing women. You even admitted to it:
As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them .... " (which is clarified as "beating them lightly", whatever that means.)
FYI, it means exactly what it sounds like. If you fear your woman stepping out of line, beat her.
Alternate because I got it from the actual book and not off the internet? Of course I admitted it, its there, just not like you copy pasted.
And are you telling me non believing men don't abuse women? They don't even necessarily have to be their "own" women and they don't have to be breaking some religious taboo? Maybe he's just drunk and feeling mean. I think (some) men are almost like a pride of lions smacking their lady love in the chops if she looks at a hunkier specimen. But its true that men, particularly of the big three Abrahamic religions are terrified of women. Its in the old testament, less in the new but still there and its in the Qur'an.
I don't know, maybe the whole reason men turn to men is because of their innate fear of women. Born scared, IOW. At least its as good a theory as any other.
Who knows? I certainly never suggested that men beating women doesn't happen.
frazzle
reply to post by Krazysh0t
Who knows? I certainly never suggested that men beating women doesn't happen.
No, that would be pretty crazy, but you obviously went to some trouble to single out one particular instance of it. And how was your quote not "borrowed" (copy pasted) from another source unless its your own translation?
Or did you just happen to have that version of that Sura sitting around waiting to be posted on a moment's notice? Hmmm.
And are you telling me non believing men don't abuse women?
Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by frazzle
And are you telling me non believing men don't abuse women?
What the hell does that matter? Physically abusing your wife because she is not 'obedient enough' is horribly wrong on many levels. You said this book was the best to be found on being good.
You seem to be dodging this and shifting the focus as to defend the passage. I find that unsettling…
You all really need to drop your religious books and pick up some philosophy books on ethics & morality. Hey you can go back to the holy books afterwards, just give a few a try. Maybe even compare them.
John Adams www.beliefnet.com...
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
Krazysh0t
reply to post by frazzle
I guess it's possible. I'm sure there are a whole slew of reasons for the abuse occurring. Inadequacy, jealousy, redirection of anger from somewhere else, religious proclamation, fear, control, dominance, misguided superiority.