Nibiru/Planet X The Thread...(Part Deux)

Buddyman



Or of coarse the paid shill.

I tried to point out tactfully that this is against the site policy by reminding PlanetX he used that to talk about anyone that disagreed with him, so here's another little reminder, just because we disagree does not make us Paid Shills, it makes us rational human beings that are capable of independent thought..

reply to post by vkey08


Excuse me for that hiccup i will try and ammend it, i did read the policy but it was very small print

I've come to believe that Nibiru was the planet Jupiter, & had over thrown Saturn as the prominent object in the northern sky. If you look at the ancient record you can read from the Greeks, Romans, Native Americans, Chinese, really any ancient civilization & read what they saw. Just replace Zeus with Jupiter, Cronos with Saturn, Ares as Mars & so on. The planets we see today were not in the same location.

Look up "Saturn Polar Configuration" & the Saturndeathcult site. Lays out what was happening in the sky, with the planets & what was been seen on Earth. Or "Symbols of An Alien Sky". Basically Earth, Mars, & Saturn (maybe other planets behind Saturn) were aligned at the north axis with a plasma field. Once Saturn's solar system made contact with the Sun's heliosphere events started to unfold like never before, about 120,000 years ago. The original God Cronos/ Saturn was the one to bring about the Golden Age (a time when then was no night & no seasons). Once Saturn came into contact with Jupiter (which was already in the Sun solar system) It pushed Saturn out of the configuration & took over for a time. The horns reference I believe comes from the Sun under lighting Jupiter, creating a crescent shape highlight that looks like horns.

vkey08

Buddyman



Or of coarse the paid shill.

I tried to point out tactfully that this is against the site policy by reminding PlanetX he used that to talk about anyone that disagreed with him, so here's another little reminder, just because we disagree does not make us Paid Shills, it makes us rational human beings that are capable of independent thought..

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I have now ammended that..please don't be so defensive,especially when i never referred that comment to you or any specifice person..I have maintained a balenced view throughout the thread and you are completely twisting what i said,i agree we need constructive debate,but for the most part i have been the object of criticism for daring to engage this topic on a conspiracy site..I respect everyones opinions,as my comments have reflected...So ill move on..Thanks Vkey

InhaleExhale
reply to post by DilligafMisfit

 

how does that mean that the so called debunks are not just another part of the programming itself?

Simple,

However I cant tell you as if you take on my way of identifying then haven't you been manipulated by my way of doing things and thinking?

One has to identify their own programming, then one might attempt to identify from which direction its coming from or pinpoint it through all the noise its hiding in.

I like the response. i couldnt have put it any better myself. During Niburu's failure to show and the the rise in doomporn over the course of 2012, i 'll admit i joined the hype and tried to read everything i could in regards to the subject. Hell I even prayed for it. Im still on the fence on if its real or not. I see the points for the Pro/Con side of the Nibiru subject matter and even though the outcome looks grim for believers, I find myself still hoping that the advocates for the exhistance of our alien creators in their mystery planet are just a tiny bit correct. Our humanity needs a shock like that....

bloodreviara
I personally think that the worst possible part of this type of hoax
is that if you take 10 mins and look up solar system modelling you
can actually see exactly what WOULD happen if these claims were
true and a large body were to move through our solar system.

The outcome of those models is ALWAYS catastrophic to our
solar system, shooting some planets out of their orbits completely,
crazy things like that..... yet somehow our solar system still
exists to this day though this has happened many times?

I would love to see these ideas made into a movie though, that's
the best way to enjoy doom porn, 2012 was a great movie.

Hi def planetary destruction as fiction is awesome.

It certainly isn't a hoax,if so the grandest one ever with implanted information, evidence,artifacts,scripts over many millenia..Thats proposterous,as this information has come to light after being blatently hidden/supressed..With some of it being found by chance i.e artifacts,texts.
10 minutes of researching a mainstream 'theory' doesn't discredit this,the behaviour of binary systems is just coming to light..but you are correct,it would displace planets and cause major irregularites..well it has in our system in the past,which has been highlighted..i.e axis'/tilts of outer planets,Venus' irregularities, many moons and of coarse the asteroid belt..look into exploding planet hypothesis..its in the beginning posts..I would suggest it could halt orbits of planets,from what i can gather,with a magnetic repulsion..There are things pointing to the early signs of interference now, potentially/theoretically on this planet although nothing is seemingly on the doorstep..I would also say hypothetically,that whatever may happen theoretically, would determine our position to 'it' and the Sun..i.e if the Sun came between 'it' and Earth,effectivly blocking.Thanks Blood reviara

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reply to post by Buddyman


Thanks for the thread. It's a very interesting subject that many people have tried to validate or discredit.

My questions (and bear in mind that I think there is a thread of truth to the subject somewhere) are:

1. A planetary body with that type of orbit, specifically one that takes it so far from the sun, would require either an artificial atmosphere of some type or underground living base while still using some type of artificial source for energy. The age of the planetary body is old enough that internal resources are likely depleted. Is this even possible for so long a time & still be able to maintain some type of life?
2. Even though the Sumerians and possibly the Egyptians record the transit of the planetary body with possible interference locally on Earth by EBE's, at some point they stopped interfering. (on a planetary basis at least) Where did they go?
3. With hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of amateur astronomers with the technical know-how to do so, why hasn't someone photographed this and presented the evidence in a forum that eliminates any means to discredit?

Just thinking out loud. Please do keep bringing information.

DilligafMisfit

InhaleExhale
reply to post by DilligafMisfit

 

how does that mean that the so called debunks are not just another part of the programming itself?

Simple,

However I cant tell you as if you take on my way of identifying then haven't you been manipulated by my way of doing things and thinking?

One has to identify their own programming, then one might attempt to identify from which direction its coming from or pinpoint it through all the noise its hiding in.

I like the response. i couldnt have put it any better myself. During Niburu's failure to show and the the rise in doomporn over the course of 2012, i 'll admit i joined the hype and tried to read everything i could in regards to the subject. Hell I even prayed for it. Im still on the fence on if its real or not. I see the points for the Pro/Con side of the Nibiru subject matter and even though the outcome looks grim for believers, I find myself still hoping that the advocates for the exhistance of our alien creators in their mystery planet are just a tiny bit correct. Our humanity needs a shock like that....

Your spot on with the humanity comment..I must say and i'm glad you brought it up,but the Mayan 2012 scenario was highjacked by Hollywood,2012 was all about the ending of the 26,000 year precession of the Zodiac and a New Age starting..To think those who would wish to keep this info from people would give a date is naive..There are people who have given dates that have come and gone who have contributed to the lack of credibility in the subject,are they insiders throwing people off the scent??one wonders..

reply to post by Buddyman


you know what. I try to look at it this way.... any info that any one posts, regardless of topic, and regardless of my being for or against it..... its still more info. You learn something new every day. I just try to stay objective about it.

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Info on structures and the artificial nature of many moons in our system

Oh boy.
Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?

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Yeah very good..I have the whole En-suite bathroom with b-day to throw at this..The comment i made is relevent..im not sure if you have researched our Moon, just as one example(a subject in itself)..Seismic tests show it seems hollow,its older than the solar system,its perfect mathematical positioning to eclipse,pyramids,monoliths,they are just a couple of things..research it thouroughly dude,then move on to the rest of the moons and planets with their structures/anomalies,of which Phobos is void, the Russians done a fly by and came to that conclusion after it was scanned..now..research the Annunaki..then compare all these structures especially Mars and they all share striking similarities and hallmarks of the makers i.e Annunaki(as is also represented in the ancient structures on Earth) ..Of coarse then introduce Nibiru and the Annunaki link and we start getting a broader picture..check wespenre.com..for the best info tieing it all together..

Buddyman

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Info on structures and the artificial nature of many moons in our system

Oh boy.
Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?

edit on 2/2/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Yeah very good..I have the whole En-suite bathroom with b-day to throw at this..The comment i made is relevent..im not sure if you have researched our Moon, just as one example(a subject in itself)..Seismic tests show it seems hollow,its older than the solar system,its perfect mathematical positioning to eclipse,pyramids,monoliths,they are just a couple of things..research it thouroughly dude,then move on to the rest of the moons and planets with their structures/anomalies,of which Phobos is void, the Russians done a fly by and came to that conclusion after it was scanned..now..research the Annunaki..then compare all these structures especially Mars and they all share striking similarities and hallmarks of the makers i.e Annunaki(as is also represented in the ancient structures on Earth) ..Of coarse then introduce Nibiru and the Annunaki link and we start getting a broader picture..check wespenre.com..for the best info tieing it all together..

I have yet to see a reputable person come out and say the moon is hollow. Richard Hoagland is not reputable.. Nor is Bibliotecapleyades. The two places that seem to push that theory..

Urantia1111
reply to post by Buddyman

 

the mere scale of attack on your OP, to me, indicates that some or all of what you've posted is accurate. the quality of the rebuttals is predictably poor and in the standard "Don't anyone dare believe this or you're a dumbass!" format. the days of online shillery being an effective strategy are over. i think your evidence is more than adequate.

ETA Oh, and the fact that Phage is here. you're doing something right when he gets involved.

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A very refreshing comment,thanks!!..Even if this info was doubtful (which it isn't) its gives no person the right to address anyone like that,especially a new guest, thats the way it is when someone is talking to a faceless person on the computer sometimes,what they say about others says more about themselves..Anyway..I want to throw every aspect at this..because up until this point i have remained impartial not wanting to ram anything down peoples throat so to speak..But with the information from every aspect added to this from all areas of study,makes it less dubunkable, shall we say..I mean i am trying to breifly,although at the same time as thouroughly as possible (time permitting)tackling all areas..The fact that all ancient cultures independetly depict,write orally teach of this same fiery/red object/star,amongst other celestial bombardments independently stands on its own and also the natural record speaks volumes,undebateable!!..I would just urge those who have a geniune need to know to go back and thouroughly read what i have said and every link..It speaks for itself that this thread is less than a day old and we have people dissing it,when i have probably added 2 weeks of reading material..so my signature sums that up..

Buddyman

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Info on structures and the artificial nature of many moons in our system

Oh boy.
Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?

edit on 2/2/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Yeah very good..I have the whole En-suite bathroom with b-day to throw at this..The comment i made is relevent..im not sure if you have researched our Moon, just as one example(a subject in itself)..Seismic tests show it seems hollow,its older than the solar system,its perfect mathematical positioning to eclipse,pyramids,monoliths,they are just a couple of things..research it thouroughly dude,then move on to the rest of the moons and planets with their structures/anomalies,of which Phobos is void, the Russians done a fly by and came to that conclusion after it was scanned..now..research the Annunaki..then compare all these structures especially Mars and they all share striking similarities and hallmarks of the makers i.e Annunaki(as is also represented in the ancient structures on Earth) ..Of coarse then introduce Nibiru and the Annunaki link and we start getting a broader picture..check wespenre.com..for the best info tieing it all together..

so if you theorize that the moon itself is hollow, trying to support the theory of the exhistance of Nibiru; then where do you fit in the theory of Nibiru destroying Tiamat, Making Mars the fourth planet and creating the earth and luna?

vkey08

Buddyman

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Info on structures and the artificial nature of many moons in our system

Oh boy.
Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?

edit on 2/2/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Yeah very good..I have the whole En-suite bathroom with b-day to throw at this..The comment i made is relevent..im not sure if you have researched our Moon, just as one example(a subject in itself)..Seismic tests show it seems hollow,its older than the solar system,its perfect mathematical positioning to eclipse,pyramids,monoliths,they are just a couple of things..research it thouroughly dude,then move on to the rest of the moons and planets with their structures/anomalies,of which Phobos is void, the Russians done a fly by and came to that conclusion after it was scanned..now..research the Annunaki..then compare all these structures especially Mars and they all share striking similarities and hallmarks of the makers i.e Annunaki(as is also represented in the ancient structures on Earth) ..Of coarse then introduce Nibiru and the Annunaki link and we start getting a broader picture..check wespenre.com..for the best info tieing it all together..

I have yet to see a reputable person come out and say the moon is hollow. Richard Hoagland is not reputable.. Nor is Bibliotecapleyades. The two places that seem to push that theory..

There were seismic records when they dumped/crashed the moon lander/probe, that say it rung like a bell for a time,just one e.g there..I'd rather not get into an in depth debate on the Moon,there are many books out there on the subject..Its old news to some..I feel like some people want me to do all the thinking here,with the greatset respect..You need to take what i have displayed and connect the dots..Its pure constructive Nibiru evaluation for me,i can understand if some don't want to know..thats their choice..Thanks

reply to post by Buddyman

It speaks for itself that this thread is less than a day old and we have people dissing it,when i have probably added 2 weeks of reading material..

NO one post for 2 weeks in this thread so OP doesn't have his feelings hurt.

As has been pointed out to you this what you bring to the table has been available for quite a few years.


As the Brown dwarf not visible as it emits no light has been brought up can you maybe answer my question I asked Planet X,

Your hand doesn't emit any light so how is it possible to view your hand without special equipment other than your naked eye?

How do we see anything that doesn't emit its own light?


We would see something the size of what its said to be long before it close would we not?

We can see Jupiter with the naked eye so why not a body that is larger?

reply to post by Buddyman

I feel like some people want me to do all the thinking here,

Just for your self as you are not and simply flooding your thread saying connect the dots.


How does you seeing UFOs and interacting with Aliens connect to Nibiru?

Was it an Annunaki ship?

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


You are wrong. Chemtrails are real and have been sprayed world wide for the last 60 years or so. It's part of geoengineering and there is mountains of reports and evidence that proves this.

Buddyman

vkey08

Buddyman

Phage
reply to post by Buddyman

 

Info on structures and the artificial nature of many moons in our system

Oh boy.
Got a kitchen sink to throw in there too?

edit on 2/2/2014 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Yeah very good..I have the whole En-suite bathroom with b-day to throw at this..The comment i made is relevent..im not sure if you have researched our Moon, just as one example(a subject in itself)..Seismic tests show it seems hollow,its older than the solar system,its perfect mathematical positioning to eclipse,pyramids,monoliths,they are just a couple of things..research it thouroughly dude,then move on to the rest of the moons and planets with their structures/anomalies,of which Phobos is void, the Russians done a fly by and came to that conclusion after it was scanned..now..research the Annunaki..then compare all these structures especially Mars and they all share striking similarities and hallmarks of the makers i.e Annunaki(as is also represented in the ancient structures on Earth) ..Of coarse then introduce Nibiru and the Annunaki link and we start getting a broader picture..check wespenre.com..for the best info tieing it all together..

I have yet to see a reputable person come out and say the moon is hollow. Richard Hoagland is not reputable.. Nor is Bibliotecapleyades. The two places that seem to push that theory..

There were seismic records when they dumped/crashed the moon lander/probe, that say it rung like a bell for a time,just one e.g there..I'd rather not get into an in depth debate on the Moon,there are many books out there on the subject..Its old news to some..I feel like some people want me to do all the thinking here,with the greatset respect..You need to take what i have displayed and connect the dots..Its pure constructive Nibiru evaluation for me,i can understand if some don't want to know..thats their choice..Thanks

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Ringing like a bell does not a hollow Moon make... The composition of the moon is different than that of Earth, and they do know that, and as such, with no atmosphere (hence there wouldn't really be any "ringing" persay) readings would definitely be different than they would be say on Earth where we have a liquid Mantle and Liquid Core surrounding a huge iron magnet. The moon is made primarily of one kind of rock all the way through, that again does not equal hollow...

The hollow theory was put forth by Hoagland because of a mountain range he claims was a wall of some sort but is just exactly what it is, a mountain range.. ..

reply to post by Buddyman


The material you brought here isn't new. Quite old actually, and has been discussed here on ATS to the point where beating a dead horse seems like fresh material.


You are new here, so you may have missed the extremely large amount of threads started here on ATS about Nibiru/PlanetX during the course of 2012. Everything from some rather deep discussions to "ZOMG! The store was out of sugar! NIBIRU!"

A lot of the things your bring into your thread have been pretty much wrapped up, debunked (and in even some cases, proven to be hoaxed). Such as the "we can't see it because it does not emit light" argument. That one has really been beat to death and proved wrong so many times over, I'm surprised no one got dizzy from it.

The other thing I (and others) have noticed, is the amount you are trying to pile on here. You want us to connect dots (hmmmm....I seem to remember another member on here at one time that was constantly using that phrase over and over). But instead of a handful of dots, you've tried to dump a truck load of sand, with each grain being a dot.

That again goes with the "ZOMG! No sugar! Nibiru!" thought. Even if something like Nibiru existed, not everything would connect with it.

I believe the old saying is: If you can't dazzle them with facts, drown them with BS.

But I digress.

You have yet to answer questions put to you, nor comment on the physics side of things that have been brought up by others and myself.

Explain the lack of highly eccentric orbits of our planets in this solar system that would happen when encountering on a regular basis (and 3,600 years is VERY regular) a high mass object traveling through the solar system.

Explain the lack of being able to see this object with any type of instruments. The answer "Brown Dwarf" does not counter reflected light from our sun.

Explain the lack of finding this thing with WISE, which again, was able to detect anything up to Jupiter size up to one light year out (or 63,000 AUs), and given a 3600 year orbit, Nibiru or Planet X would have fallen well inside that distance.

Explain the lack of any recorded record of the events that were suppose to happen 3600 years ago (again, the Chinese kept very good records. No global catastrophes recorded. No large object fly bys, and no aliens demanding gold).

We're waiting. You brought the old material up. We who have been here for a while (on both sides of the table) have already done our research or "connected the dots" as you like to put it.
So it's up to you to show how wrong those that oppose this are, and explain why your are right, or why you feel your recycled old sources are correct.