A little help with the illuminati.

reply to post by BlastedCaddy


I would imagine that the Illuminati would use anyone they thought would help to fulfill their agenda. These "entertainers"... Jay-Z, Rhianna, et al.. I think fall into a few different categories of Illuminati 1) Useful idiots, 2) Wannabes, 3) Impersonators, but only because they realize the attention, be it positive or negative, that they will get. When you are an entertainer with a very large and implacable ego, any attention is good attention.

OptimusSubprime
reply to post by BlastedCaddy

 

I would imagine that the Illuminati would use anyone they thought would help to fulfill their agenda. These "entertainers"... Jay-Z, Rhianna, et al.. I think fall into a few different categories of Illuminati 1) Useful idiots, 2) Wannabes, 3) Impersonators, but only because they realize the attention, be it positive or negative, that they will get. When you are an entertainer with a very large and implacable ego, any attention is good attention.

Jay Z Rihanna and Beyonce are definitely aware of what they are propagating.

Like I said, what people call the Illuminati is just Theosophy. They are looking to attract people to the mystery schools. That is why they create the illusion of secrecy. The only thing that is really somewhat secret is the coercion. Even that is outright stated in the ideology of Theosophy, though.

FreeWillAnomaly

OptimusSubprime
reply to post by BlastedCaddy

 

I would imagine that the Illuminati would use anyone they thought would help to fulfill their agenda. These "entertainers"... Jay-Z, Rhianna, et al.. I think fall into a few different categories of Illuminati 1) Useful idiots, 2) Wannabes, 3) Impersonators, but only because they realize the attention, be it positive or negative, that they will get. When you are an entertainer with a very large and implacable ego, any attention is good attention.

Jay Z Rihanna and Beyonce are definitely aware of what they are propagating.

Like I said, what people call the Illuminati is just Theosophy. They are looking to attract people to the mystery schools. That is why they create the illusion of secrecy. The only thing that is really somewhat secret is the coercion. Even that is outright stated in the ideology of Theosophy, though.

I think that they are indeed aware of what they are doing, but only on the surface. They realize that the secrecy and the "cloak and dagger" nature of the Illuminati is very appealing to the demographic that they are looking to reach, and because the demographic is just as ignorant as the entertainers themselves, it is a match made in heaven.. the blind leading the blind if you will. I look at entertainer's relationship with the Illuminati in the same way that I look at the main stream media's relationship with elite corporations and politicians... they are useful idiots used to spread a message or image. Media is on board because they are promised a seat at the table, just as Jay-Z and the like are promised a seat at the table.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


I think they are on board because they really adhere to the ideology. They present it in a way that appeals to the demographic they are trying to reach.

Kind of like weird avatar guy presents it in a way that appeals to the demographic he is trying to reach on ATS.

You could not have a guy like Augustus Masonicus externalize the hierarchy to inner city kids any more than you could have Jay Z do it to the people reading on ATS. It is best to give the appearance of being separate, even though the ideology is nearly identical on a spiritual level.

People like that really can't stand Christians, btw (even the ones who claim to be Christians, or claim to have no problem with Christians. Remember that their entire world view is based on an illusion. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them chimes in soon here and says something like "many of my friends are Christians" or even "I am a Christian"). Have you read any Blavatsky?

FreeWillAnomaly
That has got to be the lamest avatar I have ever seen.

That's all you've got? He asked you to back up your data about George Washington, and all you do is insult him. Not cool.

On topic, the Illuminati then and now would be concerned with bringing about as much freedom for people as possible. To enlighten the people about the nature of reality, to expand the limits of free will and consciousness, and to give everyone ample data or access to data to achieve those things for themselves and for society. They were/are? interested in countering those organizations which seek to limit knowledge and freedom rather than to expand it.

Aleister

FreeWillAnomaly
That has got to be the lamest avatar I have ever seen.

That's all you've got?

lol
The first sentence says all one needs to know about your intent. I was not engaged in a debate.

Anyways, I didn't insult him. Just his lame avatar. If someone wants to know about George Washington leaving Masonry in his later years, they can go run a search on it.

FreeWillAnomaly

Aleister

FreeWillAnomaly
That has got to be the lamest avatar I have ever seen.

That's all you've got?

lol
The first sentence says all one needs to know about your intent. I was not engaged in a debate.

Anyways, I didn't insult him. Just his lame avatar.

That's an insult, an avatar is an indication of a belief system, or just plain fun in many cases. My present one, can you give a guess as to what it is? And you should answer his question, when you make a statement of fact here you usually should back it up when asked. By the way, welcome to ATS, and you seem like a poster who will get into some good discussions and have some pretty good opinions once you get a good handle on the place. But yeah, I never heard that Geo. Washington left the Masons, so if you have any source on that please post it. Thanks.

EDIT: A quick search tells me he was buried with full Masonic rites. Kind of indicates he never left the group.

reply to post by Aleister


I don't believe that you have never heard it. That is why I didn't answer AM. I don't believe that he is oblivious to this either.
His journal indicates that he had nothing to do with Masonry for over 30 years. I believe that you will dispute the evidence, but you could have just outright done that in the first place instead of playing dumb.

Anyways, it is trivial and I am not looking to debate it. I don't really care about this tangent. It is just interesting. Sorry about editing in that last sentence without distinguishing it as an edit. I figured I would finish the edit before you read the post.

Edit: Is your name a reference to Crowley or something else? Your avatar indicates as above so below, btw, afaik

reply to post by BlastedCaddy


illuminati is a blanket term used for behind the scenes controllers.

Alex Jones always calls them globalist.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


No, I don't know more than an interested layman's knowledge about Washington's time with the Masons, and I seldom play dumb (I admit my ignorance in matters I know little about). If he was absent from the group for 30 years that's news to me, but he obviously stayed a Mason and is so honored. The Aleister name was originally from another website, where I took on the name "Aleister in Chains" as a play on "Alice in Chains" when I thought I was just there for a short term visit and ended up writing there regularly for several years. I like lots of Crowley's stuff, although not his adherence to a formal religious aspect of his work (I'm not a member of any organized religion. Disorganized, that's another story). My present avatar is a cloud image, but that as above so below concept is cool, thanks.

Back on topic, the Bavarian Illuminati of old and the "famous" people who play with the symbols now would likely have to find a common ground to hold much of a discussion and planning session, but I would think that some of them would get around to enjoying each others company quite quickly.

onequestion
reply to post by BlastedCaddy

 

illuminati is a blanket term used for behind the scenes controllers.

Alex Jones always calls them globalist.

The illuminati is not now and never has been a blanket term for the ruling class.

Alex Jones is blatantly spreading disinformation, and knowingly at that. I don't even know if the ruling class pays him to do it. Either way he gets payed for it. He is a BS artist.

onequestion
reply to post by BlastedCaddy

 

illuminati is a blanket term used for behind the scenes controllers.

Alex Jones always calls them globalist.

I really don't think that's the same thing at all. The name has been slandered by defining it like that, by Jones and many others, but that's unfair of him. Globalists, on the other hand, may or may not have the same goals, and the good ones who are probably steering the game into liberty and freedom would likely feel at home in old illuminati circles, while the control freak folks would be given the bums rush.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


And please don't limit yourself in any way here, this should be a playground for adults (just check out the Mars threads!), and an open place for disagreement. It's just that so many sites and even some users here use insult as argument or to make a point, and I thought you were doing that and jumped at you too quickly. My apology. ATS'ers are a really nice and intelligent bunch of folks, and like all really nice and intelligent folks, we can be at each others throats like angry dogs while at the same time wagging our tails and ready to chase the ball across the yard.

reply to post by Aleister


Well, the Illuminati is just a resurgence of very ancient ideology and symbolism. It is not really a conspiracy or a group, but instead the ideas, that the Illuminati truly refers to.

Considering the path you took, I can imagine that you are aware of that. Your opinions on Crowley's inability to fully break his mind from the ideas of good and evil would indicate that you have done a lot of reading (I assume that is what you are referring to).

reply to post by Aleister


Haha don't worry about it. I wasn't looking to insult anyone. I just really think the avatar looks lame. If he takes that as a personal insult, it would go to show that I wouldn't get far in a discussion with him anyways.

FreeWillAnomaly
That has got to be the lamest avatar I have ever seen.

My expectation was that you were going to link some evidence to support your points but I suppose you found that too difficult and opted to compose that well thought out and cerebral response instead.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


Try, and maybe you will have a fine conversation. I've been researching some of Geo. Washington's time with the Masons over a series of websites, and after joining as a young man it seems that when he matured, and entered the phase where he earned the nickname "Father of his country", he was fully into the Masonic lifestyle and living the ideals. He then carried those into the formation of the nation and lived them during his presidency.

FreeWillAnomaly
His journal indicates that he had nothing to do with Masonry for over 30 years.

Right.

On September 18, 1793, first President George Washington, along with eight other Freemasons dressed in masonic regalia, laid the cornerstone , which was made by silversmith Caleb Bentley. Allen, William C. (1995). In the Greatest Solemn Dignity: The Capitol's Four Cornerstones. Government Printing Office. p. 7.

In 1788, Washington, with his personal consent, was named Master in the Virginia charter of Alexandria Lodge No. 22. Randall, Willard Sterne (1997). George Washington: A Life. New York: Henry Holt & Co. ISBN 0-8050-2779-3.

And on the topic of this thread, I highly recommend reading the works of author/man about town Robert Anton Wilson (the bard, the poet's poet's ghostwriter, the friend of mankind but mostly womankind), who wrote extensively about his knowledge, or at least beliefs, of the Illuminati and their history. His Wikipedia page is a good start:

en.wikipedia.org...

and some of my favorites from his work, from that source:

The Historical Illuminatus Chronicles, composed of The Earth Will Shake (1982), The Widow's Son (1985), and Nature's God (1991), follows the timelines of several characters through different generations, time periods, and countries. The books cover, among many other topics, the history, legacy, and rituals of the Illuminati and related groups.

Masks of the Illuminati, featuring historical characters in a fictionalized setting, contains a great deal of occult data. Intermixing Albert Einstein, James Joyce, Aleister Crowley, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, and others, the book focuses on Pan and other occult icons, ideas, and practices. The book is also bursting with homages, parodies and pastiches from both the lives and works of Aleister Crowley and James Joyce. The more the reader knows of these authors, the funnier this work will seem.

That fourth book, Masks of the Illuminati, fits into those other three very well. Wilson talked of doing a formal fourth book to the three Historical Illuminatus Chronicles, but tired and/or retired (or just expired).

reply to post by BlastedCaddy


If an Illuminati exist I doubt they would be at the forefront. That would leave celebrities as a tool and not members at best.

IMO the Illuminati is likely a group of major controlling investors that have formed an Oligopoly in world markets.

Look at the common factors (investors/owners) across the Telecom (media/internet,news,etc) , Oil, Banking and you might be able to identify the Illuminati members. Those 3 industries appear to be controlled by a world wide Oligopoly.