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riffraff
Logarock
Biigs
I think if the gun show loop hole was never available Americans wouldn't have half the issues they do currently with illegalally owned weapons.
Tough break America, gun issues are going to be a nightmare to combat effectively.
edit on 1-2-2014 by Biigs because: (no reason given)
The so called "loop hole" is only a loop hole in that the buyer is able to buy a gun without the government having any record of the transaction.
Not true. Whenever I buy a gun at gun shows I have to pass background checks and fill out about three pages of paperwork, just like buying a gun at any retailer. My guns are registered to me and I'm pissed about that ,believe me. But if you want to buy a gun from them you must register it.
riffraff
reply to post by Biigs
What is this gun show loophole I keep hearing about? I can tell you from personal experience having bought guns at gun shows they are all legally registered. I had no say in the matter. If I wanted to buy a gun from a licensed dealer, it must be registered to me. Period. The only way to get a gun not registered in your name is to buy a used gun from a friend, neighbor, etc. but no gun show is required for that.
edit on 3-2-2014 by riffraff because: (no reason given)
Logarock
Some gun shows have given in and od this but not all. Certainly not around here. I just last year walked into a gun show and walked out with a weapon with out any signature or paper work save for cash.
Logarock
In this state, unlicensed gun dealers can hold shows and sell guns without background checks or any paperwork.
Its sates like this and others that are referred to when someone talks about the gun show loop hole.
vor78
Logarock
Some gun shows have given in and od this but not all. Certainly not around here. I just last year walked into a gun show and walked out with a weapon with out any signature or paper work save for cash.
Was the seller a private individual or a licensed dealer? Depending upon state laws, you may not have to submit a background check on private party sales. But from licensed dealers, regardless of venue, its a federal law that a background check must be submitted first.
macman
Logarock
In this state, unlicensed gun dealers can hold shows and sell guns without background checks or any paperwork.
Its sates like this and others that are referred to when someone talks about the gun show loop hole.
Then they are not "gun dealers". very simply. It is considered as a "private" transaction.
The term "dealer" has no reason to be used in that setting. It is an incorrect use of a title.
Logarock
That is why it is called a loophole. One can wheel and deal in weapons without a license. Make a living at it.
Logarock
That is why it is called a loophole. One can wheel and deal in weapons without a license. Make a living at it.
vor78
Logarock
That is why it is called a loophole. One can wheel and deal in weapons without a license. Make a living at it.
I don't doubt that people do that, but if the Feds can prove that they're 'dealing' without a license with the intent of turning a profit, they can potentially be prosecuted. Federal law requires dealers to have a license.
macman
Logarock
That is why it is called a loophole. One can wheel and deal in weapons without a license. Make a living at it.
No, no they can't.
There are very very specific rules for this. Once an individual reaches a certain amount, either number of guns or amount in cash of sales, they are considered as a dealer, and must obtain a dealers license.
The use of "Unlicensed dealer" is still incorrectly applied.
Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Logarock
The other activity you mention isn't a protected and ABSOLUTE right of the citizens of the United States, protected as Item #2 in our founding papers and core values of the nation itself.
Firearms are.
There is absolutely no comparison outside of pushing agendas, to compare firearms to almost any other item in America today. It's specific and, as mentioned, absolute protections (absolute like never before, following the decisions in Heller and McDonald) place it in a category all it's own and beyond the reach of ordinary consumer or market place manipulation by regulation or legislation.
Logarock
Well no one not even the feds is under the illusion that these folks are buying weapons, from private citizens, for 50$ and then selling them for 50$ or that they are turning hundreds of weapons a year at cost.
The other activity you mention isn't a protected and ABSOLUTE right of the citizens of the United States, protected as Item #2 in our founding papers and core values of the nation itself.