Pinal County Sheriff Deputy kills Manuel Longoria while Longoria's hands are raised in the air.

reply to post by HandyDandy


To you and gogo

You are correct on all your posts

Unfortunately the brainwashed will never accept that the police are a corrupt institution

If a good cops looks the other way he is a bad cop

You will never convince anyone that has invested so much in their delusion

Ignore them

They are not worth the trouble

Even when facts are pointed out the will just tell you the facts don't matter

Yes it is sad but it is also the world we live in

You gave it the good fight

Now let it end

Some people are just happier living in their fantasy

Another_Nut
Now let it end

Not like we have a choice since we are now being censored.

HandyDandy

Another_Nut
Now let it end

Not like we have a choice since we are now being censored.

I see no censorship? What WRabbit asking that it be kept civil, that's not censorship that's a friendly reminder of the rules of a private site

reply to post by Another_Nut


Yeah. I think most people know the truth.

I just asked because I figured that the answer was so obvious that, despite the two posters endlessly defending unjustified killing in the video, i knew they would have to say "Yes, police do generally recieve lighter sentences when the sentences are compared to that of a civilian charged with the same crime." I was blown away to see both of them disagree.

I would say that most every civilian you ask would say "of course cops get lighter sentences." That observation is based on insane precedence. Almost everyone would agree, except people in law enforcement.

Both of them said they didn't think so and I was blown away. There is no way to ignore it unless you are making an effort to ignore it. I mean they could know the truth and just be lying, but if that's not the case, if they believe what they are saying, it becomes scary. Complete brainwash.

But yeah, i'm done. Hopefully they will do research or follow along with the news and give the rose colored glasses a break.

GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Another_Nut

 

Yeah. I think most people know the truth.

I just asked because I figured that the answer was so obvious that, despite the two posters endlessly defending unjustified killing in the video, i knew they would have to say "Yes, police do generally recieve lighter sentences when the sentences are compared to that of a civilian charged with the same crime." I was blown away to see both of them disagree.

I would say that most every civilian you ask would say "of course cops get lighter sentences." That observation is based on insane precedence. Almost everyone would agree, except people in law enforcement.

Both of them said they didn't think so and I was blown away. There is no way to ignore it unless you are making an effort to ignore it. I mean they could know the truth and just be lying, but if that's not the case, if they believe what they are saying, it becomes scary. Complete brainwash.

But yeah, i'm done. Hopefully they will do research or follow along with the news and give the rose colored glasses a break.

And I would hope that you do some better research rather than the Alex Jones school of statistics.

Over the past 100 years, only in the last 10 or so have we been inundated with citizen journalists that have no idea what they are talking about, or make grandiose statements based not on total fact but on snippets and talking points. Again I point you to the fact that you do not know the full circumstances of every case that you cite and have no idea why things went as they did. You were NOT THERE nor was I, so neither of us are qualified to say with a broad stroke that cops get lighter sentences.

I also stated 3 other major point:

1) There are many other cases where the burden of proof is on the officer's side at this point, it would be hard for them to prove their case.. ie: cases much more deserving of attention.

2) There have been corrupt cops and departments as long as we have had them, it's a fact of life, when it can be caught and dealt with it is, when it isn't and it's overlooked, that should be addressed. We need better training, education and background checks.

3) This particular shooting, despite what you guys want to say, was justified, the person looked to be going for a weapon the cop sensing a problem fired. It is easy for you and me to sit here now and count seconds, in a crisis situation, 1.5 seconds is an eternity...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Actually the police do agree with you

Ask snarl

And even he was attacked by the zombies

His advice is the best

Pages 4 i believe

Never call a leo

The outcome is never good

Snarl
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Son, let me shplain sumpin' to ya. My badge is attached to a plaque on my "I Love Me" wall. Anytime the ATS staff wants to review a photograph of it, they have only to ask. You ... will have to take it on faith (with your holier than thou attitude) that mine is an opinion formed by 17 years of experience in the field.

Now bugger off. The rest of my day is reserved for grown-ups.

Not gonna happen but thanks anyways.

I truly enjoy responding to individuals like yourself. It proves my point without having to say a word.

You have anything that is on topic, or are you going to resort to name calling to try and prove your failed point?

GogoVicMorrow
I dont care what you think.

This would be where your argument / position fails, and the point at which I stopped reading the remainder of your post.

As a person who does this day in and day out, as opposed to people in this thread who don't, I know what I am talking about. I know how use of force works, I understand how these investigations work and I understand, most importantly, what the law says and its requirements in this area.

All that is left for you and others to do would be to pull your head out of the sand and learn.

reply to post by Xcathdra

Wrabbit2000

** Friendly Reminder **

The thread topic for this is focused on the actions of one Sheriffs Deputy and the reactions of one department/Sheriffs Office. This isn't about all cops, all departments or all those who do or will pursue careers in law enforcement.

Please keep to the topic and not the entire range of people in that particular profession. Thanks.

-Wrabbit2000

Until there are citizen review panels instead of investigations by corrupted internal affairs and their "blue code" mindset; there will be no stopping of the militarization of Law enforcement and it's accompanying double standard. Citizens are now guilty until proven innocent with Law enforcement in the position of judge, jury and executioner as was evident in the video.

I think we can see where America is going with Private corporate run prisons, kicking back money to law enforcement and the corrupted judicial system for helping fill the cells.

America faces a new style Tyranny unimaginable by our forefathers. It truly is a brave new world where the citizens will be a new class of slaves, loving and worshiping their masters.

1 Peter 2:18

Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

olaru12
Until there are citizen review panels instead of investigations by corrupted internal affairs and their "blue code" mindset; there will be no stopping of the militarization of Law enforcement and it's accompanying double standard. Citizens are now guilty until proven innocent with Law enforcement in the position of judge, jury and executioner as was evident in the video.

I think we can see where America is going with Private corporate run prisons, kicking back money to law enforcement and the corrupted judicial system for helping fill the cells.

America faces a new style Tyranny unimaginable by our forefathers. It truly is a brave new world where the citizens will be a new class of slaves, loving and worshiping their masters.

This exactly.
You have examples of this indoctrination here. You have 2 people in LE in this thread that actually have the audacity to openly claim that police are sentenced more harshly than civilians and do NOT recieve lighter sentences that civilians.
Same people claiming this murder was justified. They see criminals. When a cop kills a criminal it is always justified to them.

reply to post by Xcathdra


No. Pulling uour head out of the sand would be what you need to do.

Everyone knows cops get off with lighter sentences. Every person agrees this is an unjustified murder except police and police sympathizers.

The two people that work in LE in this thread are the only two delusional enough to think cops suffer more than people when they are caught ( when they are finally caught). As for not needing to read past that one line of my post you cut out and quoted. Cop out. Ive shown in this thread that those of us that think it was unjustified were correct and I've given the unnecessary evidence that cops get off light (the first steps to proving it), something everyone in this country knows except the police with their blinders apparently.

reply to post by Another_Nut


Well at least two other people here that claim to be LE do not.

Trust me, I know better than to call the police. The only time I would consider it would be after the fact investigations (and even then they have no interest in following it up unless it's a serious crime).

The reality is police are here as tools of the government. They hand out tickets for dumb things (generally ripping off blue collar families). They also bust drug dealers because the government doesn't want anyone getting rich on their own.

I called the cops once after a guy assaulted my friend. My friend wasn't seriously injured and the officer complained about the potential paperwork and so we told him not to worry about it. That was one in a serious of bad experiences.

GogoVicMorrow

olaru12
Until there are citizen review panels instead of investigations by corrupted internal affairs and their "blue code" mindset; there will be no stopping of the militarization of Law enforcement and it's accompanying double standard. Citizens are now guilty until proven innocent with Law enforcement in the position of judge, jury and executioner as was evident in the video.

I think we can see where America is going with Private corporate run prisons, kicking back money to law enforcement and the corrupted judicial system for helping fill the cells.

America faces a new style Tyranny unimaginable by our forefathers. It truly is a brave new world where the citizens will be a new class of slaves, loving and worshiping their masters.

This exactly.
You have examples of this indoctrination here. You have 2 people in LE in this thread that actually have the audacity to openly claim that police are sentenced more harshly than civilians and do NOT recieve lighter sentences that civilians.
Same people claiming this murder was justified. They see criminals. When a cop kills a criminal it is always justified to them.

Stop putting words in my mouth. Please..

I said I have seen it go both ways, and that the verdict in a trial is not the only thing a cop faces that can cause the punishment ot be harsher, I have also seen civilians that deserved the chair given probation, it's our system of justice, like or leave it, it's there for everyone, not one side not the other, everyone...

I also said THIS shooting looked justifiable, not that ALL shootings are, there are lots of occasions where I think cops acted in a very malicious manner and should have been disciplined far worse than they were..

That is a far cry from how you paint the picture, and I would appreciate it if you remembered that before just borad stroking my comments as "I agree with every cop's actions" I most certainly do not.

There is a case I was involved in, I had to recluse myself from it because had I had the say in the matter I would have taken the cop out to a very dark alley or wooded area and executed him myself for what he did to a pre-teen disabled girl, having children that are disabled, I cannot abide anyone that would abuse them, however while I may wish I could do it, and I may think it, I have common sense and a bit of civility, and will let the civilian courts (and they are civilian courts, the police do not work for them) handle the situation, and I know damn well that cop WILL be sentenced by the book and to the fullest extent the law allows...which in this particular case is what's warranted.

Now on this shooting that's being discussed, if someone digs up that the cop didn't like people that looked like the victim, then I will change my mind, until then, there's too much we don't know to automatically crucify the guy..

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


no all you have done is jump to conclusion while making blanket statements towards law enforcement / anyone who does not agree with your opinion. Even when provided with the facts and laws to support it, you dismiss them out of hand because you don't like them / agree with them.

I find it funny that people will state a large part of the problem revolves around communication between civilians and law enforcement. You have law enforcement discussing this topic with you, pointing out the laws in question and how they work. instead of engaging / asking pertinent questions you just accuse and dismiss.

One of the key points behind effective communication is listening as much as speaking. I have listened to your position, and I have explained time and again why its flawed. A person who works on the judicial side has explained things to you, and you have dismissed.

That does not work.

You want to fix the problems? You need to listen and understand the issues, including the very laws / rulings that govern the area. Absent that you wont accomplish anything.

The simple fact that law enforcement does not get charged in these situations has nothing to do with some major conspiracy between 2 branches of state government, 2 branches of the federal government and god knows how many independent agencies who monitor law enforcement actions. Your position places the US Supreme Court into the corruption category, along with the FBI, state police, local police, sheriff's department, independent crime labs, etc etc.

Are you really going to maintain a conspiracy exists?

In case people forgot crimes are dealt with in a court of law and not a court of public opinion.

I am an advocate of civilian review boards provided the members are familiar with the laws that cover this area. if they are not then there is no point in having them as their conclusion will be based on the wrong information and application there of.

HandyDandy
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Wrabbit2000

** Friendly Reminder **

The thread topic for this is focused on the actions of one Sheriffs Deputy and the reactions of one department/Sheriffs Office. This isn't about all cops, all departments or all those who do or will pursue careers in law enforcement.

Please keep to the topic and not the entire range of people in that particular profession. Thanks.

-Wrabbit2000

Yup, I read it. what part do you need help with?

GogoVicMorrow
The most important is to charge and sentence cops accordingly to deter this kind of thing.

I have asked you several times now about what laws are being violated by law enforcement.

How about you explain / cite which laws were violated in this incident from the OP. Since we are wrong, and you are right, please demonstrate that by using facts to support your claims.

reply to post by Xcathdra


You have already told us that you will and do disregard the law at will, so.......what does it matter?

You remind me of Dr. Moreau. "What is the law"

Okay, back to the topic please....

and the topic does not include bickering .....Go After the Ball, Not the Player!

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HandyDandy
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

You have already told us that you will and do disregard the law at will, so.......what does it matter?

You remind me of Dr. Moreau. "What is the law"

What specific law did this officer in the op violate.
What specific court ruling did this officer in the op violate?

please be specific.

You and others claim his actions are illegal. Please support that claim.