Homeland Security Secretary: Illegals Have ‘Earned Right to be Citizens

AthlonSavage
reply to post by neo96

 

its only 11 million, the US can handle it.

But, but, it was 35 million, all uninsured, when they NEEDED healthcare! Because, they were overburdening the emergency rooms! Remember?

Funny how these numbers change according to the need of the propaganda, isn't it?

reply to post by Libertygal


I noticed too that the numbers have changed, when I did my research on the statistics of illegals in the country the numbers were about 33 million.

reply to post by neo96


No. They come here, work for cash under the table at construction sites or other manual labor, live 10-12 or more in single family dwellings, live off of government benefits, meanwhile, sending almost every penney they earn back home.

Once they have reached "wealthy" by Mexico's terms, they pack up and leave, leaving whatever in their wake.

I know, I saw it happening in the apartments where I lived. The hispanic manager would grant them credit worthiness knowing full well they were not, and allow multiple families to live in, and to destroy, the units. When they left, they would simply go in, rebuild, repaint, recarpet, re-rent to the same scenarios.

In the meantime, people like me had to pay everincreasing rents, and in the 10 years I lived there, I never got new paint, carpet, nothing.

We were subjected to stepping over men drunk, covered in vomit and urine, passed out in the breezeways, on the steps, outside my door on the landings. Complaints went ignored.

They came home with live goats and chickens in cages which were promptly slaughtered for food, with rejected body parts literally thrown out the windows that no longer had screens, into the bushes, where children playing outside came upon them.

Coming and going, we were subjected to men out in the open, urinating in the streets, against the sides of our vehicles, and on the carpets in the breezeways. They left their doors open, and inside, they sat watching t.v., spitting on the carpet, had torn out, completely, interior walls.

Multiple times, men tried to force their way into my apartment, three men tried to kidnap my son, and any time I left my apartment, I was openly carrying a gun. Even so, I would have my husband escort me to my car at night.

This was in the mid 1990's. We moved. I cannot imagine what it became afterwards, what it is now. You could not pay me enough to even drive through that neighborhood now.

And this is what we all have to look forward to, coming to a neighborhood near you, even yours! Because, this is their culture, this is how they live. This is real, and how it is. It isn't biased, racist, because it went on and on, every single one of them. This was normal, amd accepted behaviour amongst them.

marg6043
reply to post by Libertygal

 

I noticed too that the numbers have changed, when I did my research on the statistics of illegals in the country the numbers were about 33 million.

Probably is 33 million and I would dare to say high as 50 million.

It is not like they go door to door knocking on every ones door, and asking them 'Hey are you legal or illegal'.

Why all this talk and no action? So many things slip by and no one says anything. It's simple, go here(emails included), find your senator and let them know how you feel

Does anyone want to use their voice anymore? If you don't use it, you lose it. You may say "they'll just ignore me, so whats the point?" Well that's just a cop out. Don't be intimidated, let your opinion will be heard. Remember, they work for us. You don't even have to leave your seat, It doesn't get any easier.

Let them know you don't want amnesty for illegal aliens, ever.
(Maybe some of the more articulate ATS members can collaborate and write up a pre-written letter for other members to send to their Senators as well.)

reply to post by neo96


Well, that is basically exactly what they did during the last census. So, the alleged "real" numbers could be gleaned from the census results, no? I mean, we know people lie, and some never answer, bug out of curiosity, lets see what Uncle Sammy has to say.

www.census.gov...

From the really confusing charts and graphs, and graphs of charts and graphs, and literally grasping for numbers, yep, in 2010, it appears they were claiming "non-black" 'immigrants' at 32.4 million.

And now it's only 11 million? So, did they cook the books back then to redraw district lines for election purposes, or, are they cooking the books now, to pull one over on the American Citizens to make it "not sound SO bad"?

I mean, 11 million sounds a heck of a lot better than the 35 million thy sold to us on Healthcare, doesn't it?

reply to post by kx12x


Well, never assUme people aren't doing anything.

Some of us live in red states, and already have supporting senators, etc. Beyond that, getting out on foot is about all that is left, and many have written letters. I have seen quite a few people mention it.

I, personally, cannot get out on foot. If I could, trust me, I would.

reply to post by Libertygal


I have send my letters too, but I got a letter back with some religious innuendos from my senator about how we need to help each other. The Irony.

BTW Obama is going to get his agenda in full gear once he declare himself a dictator as he is warning congress that he doesn't need them anymore to get what he wants.

Oh, things are going to get very interesting.

reply to post by kx12x


People are glad to be chained to the wall, unfortunately..

The current US population - the # of Native Americans = the # of illegal immigrants.

ok you want to make them legal make them PAYTAXES WITH NO NO INCOMETAX REFUNDS. if they don't want to do that then send them home to many natural citizens doing without jobs because coporate america want to hire aliens.

I am really disappointed at the xenophobia and fear on display in this thread. America and Canada are countries of immigration.
Immigration has always been an integral part of America's success.

Leonidas
I am really disappointed at the xenophobia and fear on display in this thread. America and Canada are countries of immigration.
Immigration has always been an integral part of America's success.

I have ZERO issues with LEGAL immigration. Zero. On the other hand...

I am so sick of hearing "how hard it is", and "how much it costs", when many of the illegals pay much more than the costs of legal immigration to get smuggled in. Their forefathers had no problems following the rules. Why is it suddenly okay, even the "in" thing, according to our President and DHS, to do?!

If the immigration system really is broken, then why can't we work on that, and make it not take the proclaimed 10 years, and "tens of thousands of dollars"?

Instead, they just want to give blanket citizenship, have porous, unchecked borders, and we all know why. They have betrayed and otherwise destroyed the majority of their voter base with scandals and lies, lies that are thankfully much more transparent than the officials wanted them to be.

In the meantime, American Citizens are being followed and surveiled like they are the ones breaking the laws, like the Floridian recently pulled over while travelling through Maryland.

www.breitbart.com...

The police knew he had a CCW permit, and harrassed him for hours, even after he told them the gun was locked up, in Florida. They tore his car apart, searched his luggage, all because he had a LEGAL permit to carry. He never broke any law, mind you, he got pulled over when the cop got behind him and ran his tag, then got a positive hit on the permit.

You see, the open, pourous borders vs legal law abiding citizens. Hm, what's wrong with this picture?

Legal, law abiding citizens willing and happy to have voter I.D., in fact, begging for it, vs Feds who want to interfere, no, walk all over states' 10 th ammendment rights, and tell states how to run elections.

Buy the vote, because they KNOW these illegal aliens, undocumented "workers", who pay no taxes, want welfare and food stamps so they can send their money back to Mexico and OTHER countries, taking advantage of the system and are obviously abusing taxpayers' dollars.

In the meantime, any terrorist from God knows what country can slip through unabated, and you call it what is not. Xenophobe?

No. Freaking FURIOUS at how backwards and insane our government officials are, and how about 1/4 of the insane country supports it with bleeding heart liberalism. Thank God the rest have woken UP and see the true colors of our current elected officials.

Not xenophobes, but sheer anger and disgust at the mistreatment of law abiding citizens like the Floridian in the article above, the abuse of the system that is OVERWHELMINGLY HUGE, and the idiocracy that supports it.

It's time to stop the insanity, and return to some sense of normalcy, this is NOT the frigging Twilight Zone, and I, for one, am tired of waking up on a near daily basis and reading the news and sitting there saying to myself, "WTF is THIS?"

Which, btw, it never fails. I keep saying nothing can shock me anymore, and then I wake up to hear our PRESIDENT is going to give a State of The Union Address, and tell us how he has just decided to become a dictator.

I don't know what world YOU live in, but in mine, this is NOT OKAY!

ETA -The key to America's success now seems to be how many jobs we can ship out of the country for the cheapest labor, while seeing how many people we can get on Social Welfare and government programs, to overwhelm and crush the system that was NOT designed for this. Perhaps if the jobs remained here, we could struggle through until this nightmare is out of office, but at the rate it's going, don't hedge any bets on making it through 2015 without serious repercussions. Uncle Sugar will make everything alright, once the scales tip well over 55% percent or so on social welfare. Then, it may just be too late to turn back, if it isn't already. Once something becomes the norm, it's like taking candy from a baby. Really cruel and hard to do. But, like a good Uncle Sugar, you can believe it won't happen. Not while he is King.

reply to post by kx12x

find your senator and let them know how you feel

Oh believe me, many of us do!!! This is a hard battle. The pro illegals are relentless and we have to be just as relentless. To reward people who pick and choose which laws they wish to follow is insane. The illegals are catered to on many levels while many of our citizens are falling through the cracks, jobless, homeless, suffering and struggling.

After 4 pages of replies, all I read is about the low income side of it.

Part of the agenda that is already affecting me is on the white collar side. They want to dramatically increase the already flowing immigrants into areas like Engineering. They are driving down wages now around 25% less than just 18 months ago.

Most companies in the Aerospace business have green card holders for management then hire the same.
I know of seasoned engineers that are working at Lowes, etc. And that is if someone will hire them.

Yet, if I want to work in another country I have to "Prove" that there is no one from there that can do that job.
I have had to do this a few times to fulfill contracts.

I think this is a traitorous crime and proceedings should be started against the NSA. Since when do criminals earn any right? This is like saying that after a bank robber gets away with so many robberies, that they should just give him the vault codes. Oh what has happened to our country? Where did all of these traitorous lunatics come from?

reply to post by neo96


So, they break Federal Law by coming here illegally. The break other laws by working illegally. The leech off the system. Bitch and complain when citizens want them to leave and/or be deported and now they have "earned" citizenship????

What the hell is wrong with these people in Govt.

Must be brain damage.

Leonidas
I am really disappointed at the xenophobia and fear on display in this thread. America and Canada are countries of immigration.
Immigration has always been an integral part of America's success.

Newsflash

It is not effing xenophobia expecting anyone who wants to come here to use the GD front door instead of the back one.

Because the rules don't apply to them.

Anyone who wants to come here can.

Some get in line.

Millions of others don't think they have to which created the issue.

I ask again what makes the people down south think they are so special.

They are not the only ones who do want to come here.

And I am here to say it is time for OTHERS for a change.

And once again for those people who don't know, and don't bother to read the REAL HISTORY of this country

The Immigration Act of 1924, or Johnson–Reed Act, including the National Origins Act, and Asian Exclusion Act (Pub.L. 68–139, 43 Stat. 153, enacted May 26, 1924), was a United States federal law that limited the annual number of immigrants who could be admitted from any country to 2% of the number of people from that country who were already living in the United States in 1890, down from the 3% cap set by the Immigration Restriction Act of 1921, according to the Census of 1890. It superseded the 1921 Emergency Quota Act. The law was aimed at further restricting the Southern and Eastern Europeans, among them Jews who had migrated in large numbers since the 1890s to escape persecution in Poland and Russia, as well as prohibiting the immigration of Middle Easterners, East Asians, and Indians. According to the U.S. Department of State Office of the Historian the purpose of the act was "to preserve the ideal of American homogeneity".[1] Congressional opposition was minimal. Contents

en.wikipedia.org...

Leonidas

Immigration has always been an integral part of America's success.

You left off (intentionally?) mention that it has been Legal Immigration -
certainly not illegal - that has made U.S. diversity a strength.

Leonidas
I am really disappointed at the xenophobia and fear on display in this thread. America and Canada are countries of immigration.
Immigration has always been an integral part of America's success.

So says the person with the screen name of someone that fought foreign invaders of a sovereign country.

en.wikipedia.org...


You did conveniently leave out the whole "illegal" part of this topic.